You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

@PatricksRum

I'm trying to understand where the bias or discrimination occurs. The colour or their skin.

No not why it occurs - where.

Is it before they start school
At primary school
Secondary school

Are they achieving in line with white students? If not, why not? What factors affect this?
Poverty, education not valued at home, lack of aspiration.

Do you not see how complex it is and how important it is to identify what needs to change to actually make a difference?

What's the point in saying "skin colour"? Skin colour doesn't affect educational attainment does it?

Zebra you ask for stats then you don't even quote them correctly

12% of black students who applied got in
24% of white ones did

That's twice as many
She's right!!
The article had a big headline saying the claim is correct

Skin colour does affect educational attainment

It does so through the effects of racism

Honestly, I don't think I can engage with you further.
Same. Even posters who disagree with me can no longer engage with you. You are being purposefully obtuse to derail the thread and make yourself centre of attention.

You are make figures up and presenting them as facts, (see Oxford figures) now you are just propagating your ridiculous idea of stereotypes - a poor white person buys a suit and is now viewed as rich? Seriously op. Catch yourself on.
It's a very basic example in attempt to explain to you hundreds of comments later.
You don't understand the articles published by the BBC for example so I have to dumb it down into primary school percentages and examples.
Sadly you're choosing not to understand.

You want us to educate ourselves, how about you go away and educate yourself?
I don't need to educate myself on BLM.
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I honestly take issue with your interpretation of how white privilege makes up for the racism faced by Travellers but no doubt you are utterly convinced of your righteousness. Much how you told me that my family had never experienced oppression - despite them having been Jews in Poland during the war!*
To explain for the last time.
A white traveller cannot be defined as a traveller based on their skin colour alone.
That is a privilege.
We can tone down our 'ethnic' clothes, straighten our hair, it is still obvious we are black. The fact you can hide your heritage is a privilege. It's a privilege that only a white person can do. Therefore white privilege.

Avrana - I agree about perception the reason I am asking the OP is that she continuously keeps going on about BLM being an exclusive cause but is unable to then define who it is for.

Her last post on the matter is almost comedic in how contradictory it is.
She can't construct a coherent argument which is a pity as I think she has something important to say which ,fortunately for her, others on the threads have been able to express a lot more clearly.

I understand Lemons point,

Is BLM only for people the same colour as George Floyd?

Why isn't it BAME lives matter if racism effects everyone who isn't white?

Being told you have a privilege of any sort is uncomfortable. White privilege even more so as it isn't something you can change, your skin colour.
I do understand it's uncomfortable to accept but it's important you do.
Once it's accepted you can help to address it.
It isn't about feeling guilty. No one should feel guilt because they belong to a racial group. It's about using that privilege to help the underprivileged.
Hope that makes sense.

This is your answer?

Op, do you accept that you have western privilege? You are more privileged because you live in the West than many millions of other people. What are you doing to use your Western privilege? Do you accept it? Are you addressing it? I know it's uncomfortable to think about but please try.

*That one was a made up scenario to explain how they calculate their figures as you asked if it was proportional to the make up of applications received.

And that contributes what to the argument? Shall we all make up statistics then to bolster our argument? This is utterly futile.*
It doesn't contribute to the argument. It shows that a primary school example is purposefully picked apart by you.*

You weren't even right with your made up numbers. You said white people were twice as likely to go to Oxford and illustrated that with made up figures that didn't support it whereas other posters are posting the correct figures which are much worse than your made up ones.*
I said quite people were twice as likely to be accepted into Oxford University.
The made up figures were the ones I listed after clearly saying for example. My conclusion of the example was that it showed you were more likely to be accepted into OU if you are white and not the correct statistic of being twice as likely. Again because it was an example.*

Ironically your argument would be stronger if you had actually posted correct figures. Black students are 3.1% in 2019 as quoted abov*
It may have been stronger but you wouldn't understand it so I dumbed it down.

iwill - that's not quite my point. My point is if you are going to have 3 threads ranting angrily about how it is black lives not BAME lives then you sure as shit should be able to define the term black in this context!

I don't really know. I do think there can be an Irish face, 'look' or similarity. It's hard to explain. When I lived in London I could occasionally pick out people with Irish heritage based on their face shape, colouring etc. I haven't thought about it in years as I'm living in Ireland now so can't remember what it was about how they looked that made me think (correctly) they had Irish heritage.
I wonder what an irish look is as I can't think of any facial features that are exclusive to Irish people.

Hm...the notion that Whites experience racism still seems to be a radical and inconceivable one to most. Curious, though to be expected given the times, perhaps.

But lemons it doesn’t matter who she defines it’s for! That’s my point about the blame being on the person doing the perceiving. She can define it however she likes. It’s not going to stop people being racist is it?

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

Skin colour does affect educational attainment

It does so through the effects of racism

Yes, I agree. That was the point I made.

However when I was asking at what point in the system students were disadvantaged op announced "skin colour".

None of us can change skin colour can we? We have to change the system that causes skin colour to be a disadvantage. Surely, in order to.do that you must identify where that occurs and how best to change it

But when you experience the same, how are you privileged and where does it stop.
Because you are less likely to experience it and if you are experiencing it it isn't because of the colour of your skin alone.
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Both Black and white people are privilaged because they haven't experienced racism as Chinese, Jewish, Romany, Irish, Irish traveller.
Is this what will come next?*
Can you explain which privileges black people have as a whole?
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We will have to beg to differ, having experience racism all my life I address any racism towards anyone, I refuse to be labelled in doing so.*

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-43373165

This was a racial attack on an asylum seeker. This is the type of racism I come across here , I don't hear much about racism towards black people here.

PatricksRum

You told me yesterday that my family had never experienced oppression. Do you accept the Holocaust happened? If so, how can you say Jewish people haven't experienced oppression?

Avrana - I agree about perception the reason I am asking the OP is that she continuously keeps going on about BLM being an exclusive cause but is unable to then define who it is for
It's for black lives. I cannot tell you who is black. It is for them to define. I would be wrong to do so

Avrana - i am asking her to define it for the sake of this thread!

Is BLM only for people the same colour as George Floyd?
No. I'm not as dark as George but I am black.
It is for those who define as black.*

Why isn't it BAME lives matter if racism effects everyone who isn't white?*
Because it affects everyone differently. This particular movement is shout saving lives.
More black people are killed compared to BAME on a whole.

It is for those who define as black and experience the same racism that black people exclusively face *

Op, do you accept that you have western privilege?*
Yes.

You are more privileged because you live in the West than many millions of other people.
I agree. I am much more privileged than a lot of my family.

What are you doing to use your Western privilege? Do you accept it? Are you addressing it? I know it's uncomfortable to think about but please try.
I have accepted it. If you wish to talk about western privileges please do so on a separate thread and I'll happily engage at your request.

iwill - that's not quite my point. My point is if you are going to have 3 threads ranting angrily about how it is black lives not BAME lives then you sure as shit should be able to define the term black in this context!
I never said BAME lives don't matter. I said that isn't the focus of these threads it the BLM movement.

This was a racial attack on an asylum seeker. This is the type of racism I come across here , I don't hear much about racism towards black people here.
You haven't heard the posts of our experience of racism that so many of us black people have taken the time to post here?

You told me yesterday that my family had never experienced oppression. Do you accept the Holocaust happened? If so, how can you say Jewish people haven't experienced oppression?
Feel free to start a thread about Jewish people.

Patricks - you need to re read your responses they don't make sense.