To think women's lives don't matter...

[DragonTrainedByLucy]

Warning I am incredibly fucked off with the World right for several reasons so apologies for the rant.

I literally am getting slammed left, right and centre for not being vocal on social media about Black Lives Matter and for not attending any of the three local protests (I am shielding, but supposedly it's OK to go because social distancing measure are in place). I'm also concerned due to the high proportionality of members from the BAME community due to COVID and the fact the R number has risen close to 1.

I supported #blackouttuesday - I got it wrong, I did the black square but I also did two posts on inspirational BAME employers in the two sectors I work in (this was supposedly the wrong bit). I got abuse.

What has really hacked me off though is that some of the people who are having a go at me for the lack of support to the #BLM movement are people who have sat next to me whilst I've been on the receiving end of really severe mysoginistic abuse and really serious abuse relating to gender identity (I have a trauma diagnosis that leads to gender identity confusion). These are not one off times, it's been multiple occasions.

Generally wondering where the support has been for women for the last three years (and all women, regardless of race, but this does also impact women from BAME communities negatively).

Have I missed it? If I have can someone please point me to the circles on where I will find where/how the female support happens because I really need it right now.

Also to all the BAME community, I am sorry for the continued shit you have to go to - I have donated (through three of the various links). I hope this ends with better outcomes for you all.

Plenty of other injustices to get worked up about but right now it's BLM for obvious reasons.

If you're spouting on about all this on fb I suspect that's why you're getting some criticism.

@Alex50 exactly.

Where were all these protests (I am not talking about going out now to protest), I am just concerned these protests never happened.

I am glad there is an uprising in the BAME communities and in support of the BAME communities but I am desperately sad those same communities have never had the same response for Women when I feel it has often been needed.

@rawlikesushi I haven't said anything on Facbeook since blackoutTuesday - which you would know if you had read the thread.

There were so many protests around me too. I know, I was at them. Thousands of people in Westminster and other parts of the country.

Wow, so now I am a racist? Thanks.

Feel free to report it.

@bookworm100 Really? Can you link me news articles to these because i clearly missed them (as I said in my OP, if you know the groups that organised them please let me know). I do know there was a huge social media campaign and a couple of one day protests but not in the scale of what we are seeing now - in terms of length and area coverage.

Whataboutery.

That's why the other thread like this was deleted.

OP, you have every right to protect your health and speak about the issues that concern you. Only a bully would suggest otherwise.

BLM, feminists and women aren't in conflict with each other OP . Despite your tedious attempts to make them so.
They all suffer from patriarchy and white male supremacy. But if you genuinely cared about any of these issues, you'd know that. I suspect you're just continuing to post so you can screenshot your posts and claim they represent MN. They don't.

Over 1500 women were killed in the US by domestic violence last year,

A protest isn't going to stop domestic abuse in all fairness, just like protests aren't going to make racists suddenly grow a moral compass. Domestic abuse is so hard to combat as it happens behind closed doors. I don't know what the solution is but it's not a protest for that particular issue

The difference is BLM is mostly fighting against institutionalised injustice out there in the open

YANBU. I didn’t really understand the blackout thing but there was a man on the radio telling white people to ring their black friends and neighbours to check in on them and ask them how they are and listen to them. Interesting but where was my call after Grace Millane, I thought.

Absolutely black lives matter and I would never corrupt that. But it’s clear that the epidemic of violence against women doesn’t matter to people in the same way.

I also hate the corporatisation of BLM. Pornhub have pledged their allegiance to BLM. The place where you can watch women of all ethnicities being raped any day of the week seeking to get caring credibility from this horrific crime.

I’m stepping away from Twitter etc on this as it’s a massive purity spiral.

@ATomeOfOnesOwn I haven't screenshot a single thing.

I am not saying we are in competition.

I am asking - one example - of where EVERYONE is when it's women being killed? Ie. Why were there no mass protests when Breonna Taylor was murdered?

I completely agree with you op.

All these years< i feel so much frustrating at the people in Ireland which is so predominantly white still, protesting and yet they have ignored and stuck their heads in the sand over all of the issues that affect women, poor women, women forced out of the workplace by childcare, women who cannot afford the children they have, women who cannot access abortion, education, rights, freedom. And all of these ''issues'' which have clearly bored my friends rigid for the last fifteen years, now they are on the black lives platform like rats up a drainpipe. And obviousy, it's a show of solidarity. But it's the american police who are utter savages, not the gardai. Problems that affect black women in america are the problems that affect poor mothers of young children who have difficulty supporting themselves and defending their rights. Any of the issues i've protested for, raised money for, those issues would have affected poorer women. (and I think that statistics will show that non white women affected disproportionately). I used to feel so upset, so much rage, so much confusion that I could post something about women's aid and nobody would even acknowledge it. 250 women have been killed in Ireland alone since the mid 90s by their boyfriends and all of my virtue signalling irish friends on facebook have ignored everything that's been attempted to try and make things more equal.

Nobody cares about women. They literally do not care about women. They care about a ''sexy'' cause.

I explained to a friend that I wouldn’t be attending protests as we have elderly mil with health issues living with us and I don’t think I can take the risk, they were really nasty about it and I’ve removed them from all my social media’s. Don’t think I’ll bother with them from now on.

@DragonTrainedByLucy I agree with you about Breonna. She was in her own home. That was EVEN MORE SHOCKING. BUT WE HEARD NOTHING

Fuck me where are the people like OP crawling out of?

Look up the house on fire analogy.

Yes women's lives are important, but RIGHT NOW, black lives are taking centre stage deservedly so.

No wonder you're getting shit left right and centre if this is your narrative.

OP I think I understand. You are rightly appalled by the issue of racism and thought you were being an ally in posting on SM and donating but instead have been berated for doing it wrong. It must feel like you can’t win. I sympathise. I think this moment is being seen as a potential watershed in race relations and in the rush to make change, some jostling and barging into others’ feelings is taking place. I think that’s understandable as it’s long overdue but it’s sad that you have been shamed for not doing activism as others would wish. Maybe you should step away from this.

In terms of activism against misogyny I agree. The #metoo movement was a wasted opportunity that centred men, crying crocodile tears and wearing hair shirts whilst patting themselves on the back that they were ok really. Nothing changed at all. In fact I guess this is why I think it’s ok for BLM activists to be militant about how it is portrayed in SM (even whilst upsetting individuals like yourself). Because it’s important to centre black people in BLM.

Personally I follow kareningalasmith.com/2019/03/10/2019/ Counting Dead Women which is shocking, tragic and informative. There is nothing to stop you organising a march for Dead Women. But this week may not be the best time to do it. (And a big part of me hates saying that, I admit, because I always care about this issue and BLM’s prominence doesn’t change that.) If you haven’t already, come and chat on MN Feminism chat and MN Feminism Activism pages.

Happily. This refers to the various protests over the last few years. One of which "shut down Westminster"

Thousands of women have turned out for the global Women’s March in London despite the heavy rain and sleet, one year after millions marched in seven continents.

Across the road from Downing Street and stretching back past the memorial to women in the second world war, protesters chanted “Time’s up” and “We want justice not revenge” on Sunday.

Organised by Women’s March London, whose protest a year ago shut down central London, it was named the Time’s Up rally in honour of the campaign launched in January by women in Hollywood to counter sexual harassment in the entertainment business and workplaces following the Weinstein scandal and #MeToo movement.”

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/thousands-join-womens-march-in-london-for-gender-equality

A quick google revealed this, starting to wonder if your post is a deliberately antagonistic fake. It is undeniable that the me too movement was massive global and local movement that dominated the news cycle for weeks.

This IS about women. Half of all black people ARE women. Black women and their families are suffering racist violence and BLM is about them.

In regards to Breonna Taylor, no it didn't gain as much attention as George Floyd, but she's still well known. There are fundraisers, petitions, her name is on every memorial

This little girl can explain

You know there are black women too, right?
I’m sorry you got pushback for doing blackout Tuesday but whattaboutery isn’t helpful to anyone.

Men en mass rarely protest the murder of women.

I'd say other things about the acceptance of violence against women in some BAME communities, but I suspect that would get me deleted.

I'd also say things about the old days on the left and we'd be talking about racism and sexism and it was clear that women's racism was also called to account, but black men's sexism rarely so. This still happens today.

Did you miss the massive womens March in 2017?
And the ones that have occurred every year since?
The ongoing, all-encompassing #Metoo movement?

You have chosen to remain ignorant of the fights ongoing WRT womens rights. Don't use that as an excuse to shit all over someone else's cause. Police brutality in America, towards black men in particular, is shocking and disgusting. It's this kind of whataboutery and pettiness that leads to people turning a blind eye.

Breonna Taylor IS well known but was an entirely different situation. It's scraping the barrel to say they're similar situations and should have resulted in the same response.