To be upset over chlorinated chicken and considering leaving the uk

[Lovesgood]

I know a lot of people saw this coming. Its really upsetting how the uk is now beginning to bow down to our new masters. Im seriously considering to leave the country as chlorinated chicken will only be the beginning. They will completely ruin our farmers and foodstandards. And once theyve done that, who knows what else the US will demand, only for the UK to just roll over... Im quite sad over this actually. Any suggestions as to where to go? Whats Ireland like?

Just posted here for traffic.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

Blimeyoreilly, I'll be very surprised if EU produce is available here after the Brexit/USA stitch up but good luck with it.

It's not just chickens being dunked in bleach we need to worry about.

The levels of hormones, steroids and antibiotics pumped into other food animals is horrific, often given to compensate for the appalling conditions they are kept under the drugs have awful consequences, pigs for example are given something called ractopamine, which incidentally is seen as so toxic it is banned in Russia and China (and if it is too bad for them......) it causes aggression, and kidney and liver disorders. And presumably doesn't disappear overnight after slaughter.

Pesticide residue on fruit and veg includes 72 chemicals currently banned for agricultural use in the EU but allowed in the US.

In the EU there are strict regulations regarding baby food, no artificial colours, limited sugars, reduced pesticide, no E numbers etc. In the USA these regulations do not exist.

If you want to read more - and I have not put in the really stomach turning ones about milk and contaminants you really do not want in your food - see the article published in the guardian on the second of march.

Once the door is opened to these dreadful practices it will never be closed. If we don't protest now then as a poster said up thread, every take away, school meal, hospital lunch,care home dinner, shop bought sandwich, milkshake, cafe fry up and supermarket ready meal will be made with this stuff.

Just don't emigrate to New Zealand - low COVID-19 infections but they eat chlorinated chicken as well.

British beef is far better than French beef.
The French don't hang their beef and it's tough and fatty. Meat in France from supermarkets is generally more expensive and lower quality.
I could raw feed my dog more cheaply using human grade British meat than buying the animal meat here.
Cauliflowers are usually €3.00 each and atm around €5.

The answer is to grow your veg.
Also France uses 25% of all EU chemicals for agriculture.

The UK has some of the best agricultural and animal welfare standards in the world, it will be sad if they change.

Just buy foods in the supermarket that are from the UK? I intend to continue to buy British-reared meat and poultry to support our farmers.

This is what I would do too.

Or just don't eat chicken? It's actually pretty easy to give up once you decide to. Cheaper too

To posters wondering what's wrong with chlorinated chicken have a read of this. It's very straight forward and not long. Sets it out in straight forward terms:
www.soilassociation.org/our-campaigns/top-10-risks-from-a-uk-us-trade-deal/what-is-chlorinated-chicken/

I've c&p'd point one:

1. Does chlorine washing work?

Research from Southampton University found that disease-causing bacteria like listeria and salmonella ‘remain active’ after chlorine washing. Chlorine washing just makes it impossible to detect the bacteria in the lab, giving the false impression that the bacteria have been killed when they haven’t.

This means chlorine washed chicken could still carry salmonella and other bacteria, which is a clear human health risk. In fact, rates of food poisoning have been recorded several times higher in the US than the UK; however, considering this information is notoriously difficult to monitor, it is impossible to say with certainty.

Although it does make me feel as though the US is beginning to engulf the UK as an offshore colony

We’re emigrating. We wanted to anyway but brexit and this have brought it forward.

The chlorine itself is of no particular danger to us. It's about why it's needed. ie: The animals being raised in filthy conditions.

Here at the moment we have regulations in place that means the animals conditions are clean enough while they are alive that their flesh doesn't need bleaching when they're dead.

As long as its clearly labelled then what's the problem. If no one buys it then supermarkets will stop stocking it.

And if it isn't allowed to be clearly labelled ? Have you read the finer details of the deal ? Including the parts where the US can sue the UK if UK laws cost them money ?

www.globaljustice.org.uk/news/2019/nov/27/leaked-papers-us-uk-trade-talks-guide-revelations

might open a few eyes, shock a few others, confirm a few sources, and confirm how far we've gone - too far to back out now.

Still, I'm looking forward to my blue passport. It'll suit my luggage. So on balance I'm thinking it's all worth it.

Apparently tariffs will be applied to US foodstuffs like meat for possibly 10 years, maybe less. Then those tariffs would gradually be reduced as UK farmers adapt to survive. Eventually US trade in these products would be tariff free. So in other words to compete, british farmers will by necessity have to reduce standards of welfare so they are financially viable.

Just buy foods in the supermarket that are from the UK? I intend to continue to buy British-reared meat and poultry to support our farmers.

The US deal could mean labelling is not as clear as we have now. Do you never eat out or have kids who eat school dinners?

@Notejode

Just buy foods in the supermarket that are from the UK? I intend to continue to buy British-reared meat and poultry to support our farmers.

This is what I would do too.

Slight problem: there may no longer be labelling that states the country of origin.

We’re emigrating. We wanted to anyway but brexit and this have brought it forward.

Where are you going?

YANBU, it is a disgrace. In the US chicken is either so cheap it's highly suspect or totally high-end organic, killed by pixies level unafforable. Even if you stop eating meat it will be GM crops and all the other SHIT.

Slight problem: there may no longer be labelling that states the country of origin.

Or (if you read the link I posted) "confusing" labelling like sugar and health warnings. I wonder how long before we get cigarette advertising back again ?

And just wait for the guns ...

www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/14/how-the-nra-has-shaped-the-worlds-gun-laws/

www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-01-03/nra-goes-global-with-its-pro-gun-agenda

So, once again, it's not all bad.

In line with this discussion I saw this post last night that I thought was interesting. Same products - but the different ingredients in the UK compare to the USA.

www.instagram.com/p/CAvN5dyA_jz/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

To those people who think it will really be as simple as "just don't buy it". I can't see how there will be any other option. You shouldn't have to go vegetarian for safe, affordable food.
Farming practices in the US (in general) are dire. High use of antibiotics in the meat, high usage of pesticide in grain and veg. Processed foods contain higher levels of additives than the UK.

Put up and shut up should not be a response to anyone raising a valid concern.
The long term outcome of this may result in a wider divide with higher income families able to afford quality produce and low income homes only crap. Ask yourself, are you really ok with screwing over large parts of the British population?

@sillysmiles they obviously are. That’s the thing about the whole Brexit issue - it was sold to the public as an opportunity to screw the elites - but sadly the elites will ironically probably do better than most.

Not necessarily, but I just wanted to point out that 52% of the population didn't actually vote for this.

Go vegan and eat organic veg. Problem solved.

The guns! Oh god! I hadn't thought of that!

People voted for a reduction in food standards, they actually voted for it. Very undemocratic to complain when they got what they voted for.

to be more precise, it was slightly over 1/3 leave, slightly under 1/3 remain, the rest didn't vote. Turnout was 72% of the electorate.

didn't care? Couldn't decide between two equally bad options? Thought you vote on facebook? Who knows?

We have been cooking and eating at home for the past couple of months, and I am shielding. I don't see us going back to eating in cafes and restaurants any time soon, to be honest. People will get more and more insistent on knowing the provenance of their food at the upper end of the market, but fast food / canteen food will be of lower and lower quality in all likelihood.

Of course, people could also choose more vegetarian/ vegan food and this will only increase that market, I would think.