To be upset over chlorinated chicken and considering leaving the uk

[Lovesgood]

I know a lot of people saw this coming. Its really upsetting how the uk is now beginning to bow down to our new masters. Im seriously considering to leave the country as chlorinated chicken will only be the beginning. They will completely ruin our farmers and foodstandards. And once theyve done that, who knows what else the US will demand, only for the UK to just roll over... Im quite sad over this actually. Any suggestions as to where to go? Whats Ireland like?

Just posted here for traffic.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

'Bye then'

I'm definitely thinking about returning to vegetarianism or possible even going vegan. No cruelty in carrot farming.

I don´t think it will be that easy to go live somewhere else now, tbh. You will have to fulfill immigration requirements, and most countries are pretty strict these days.

We were told by Vote Leave that this wasn't on the table and wouldn't happen. We were told that it was 'scaremongering' and 'project fear'.
I'm furious about this. Why should I have to consider going vegan or only buy organic as has been suggested??
Not one person can honestly say that this is a good development. If they do they are kidding themselves.

@highmarkingsnowbile

I didn't vote for brexit, but I don't believe those who did thought they were voting for dancing to the US tune rather than the EU (which isnt a country, and which we were an influential member of) tune.

What did they think then , that it was going to be Rule Brittainia again?

Probably. They just couldn't see beyond the end of their insular little noses and many are still only too happy to walk off a cliff. And make no mistake anything that goes tits up the government will blame on Covid-19.

I'm very angry but not at all surprised by this. I lived in the USA for over 15 years and it breaks my heart to know that their industrial animal farming industry treats animals so fucking badly. I see some people here are fine with eating meat from animals that have literally had awful lives from start to painful end.

I actually stopped eating meat alltogether a few years ago but I can still have an opinion on the welfare of animals raised to be killed for meat.

You won't be able 'choose' whether to buy or avoid chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef in the supermarkets either. The USA have made it very clear that they will not allow labelling on meat products to show origin as clearly that would hurt their interests, so unless you go to a local butcher you will be eating chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef after this deal goes through and of course that will include meat served in restaurants.

As for safety, CDC estimates Salmonella causes about 1.35 million illnesses, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year.
www.cdc.gov/salmonella/general/index.html#:~:text=CDC%20estimates%20Salmonella%20cause%20about,the%20United%20States%20every%20year.

Salmonella deaths in the UK, the most recent epidemiological lab data from Public Health England, 2006 to 2015 shows no deaths in England and Wales from salmonella.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/711972/salmonella_data_2007_to_2016_may_2018.pdf

My mum voted to leave EU because apparently we weren't letting in straight bananas.. only the bendy kind 🙄

You do know that you'll always be able to go to a good local butcher and avoid these products?

How does that work with school dinners?

When I said to one of my DDs (a leave voter) that this would happen she laughed at me and said it was 'project fear'.

I shall resist the urge to say 'I told you so.'

I don't eat meat but I wouldn't even buy this horrible stuff to give to my dog, who does like a nice piece of chicken.

I'm sure leave voters will welcome this development, it is precisely what they voted for.

Also let's not foget that increasingly studies are linking the increase UTIs and the increase specifically in drug-resistant UTIs to e-coli in retail poultry. So great idea to lower animal welfare standards sit we can just sit back and enjoy untreatable UTIs.

www.nytimes.com/2019/07/13/health/urinary-infections-drug-resistant.html

I don't buy lamb that comes from New Zealand or Irish beef, and I won't be buying American chicken. These are choices we can make, and to suggest that we will only be able to choose America's cheap chicken is silly. I lived in Canada for a number of years, the "flat above the meth lab" that is the USA - I had no difficulty whatsoever avoiding their crappy products there either. Quit fretting about it. It doesn't actually matter what is on the shelves: you don't HAVE to buy anything you consider unhealthy - cigarettes, skin cream with parabens, sugar-laden cereals. Read your labels and make sesnsible choices.

It's a clumsy comparison but why are people (almost all normally) horrified about and against puppy farms but are ok with the animals we eat to be treated almost exactly the same?

Most meat animals from the uk due to our standards aren't in those circumstances but once we lower standards or accept food from for example USA that is what we are accepting.

Just because the animals we eat are not pets and being raised with a specific end (meat production) does not mean that the lives they have shouldn't be the best we can give them until it's time.

Obviously I'm not talking about treating our farm animals as pets I just mean we should as a responsible empathetic society expect a minimum humane standard of living for the animals we eat while they are alive. We should be horrified about the possibility that as standard that is going to change.

I just one one leave voter to explain to me why this would be a good thing?

People voted for a reduction in food standards, they actually voted for it. Very undemocratic to complain when they got what they voted for.
Thing is, the people who voted for is aren't complaining, they are saying 'we knew what we voted for'. They also voted for a border down the Irish sea and a removal of our rights to live across a whole continent. It's the people who didn't vote to have this imposed on them or a removal of their rights who are complaining.

Affluent Americans spend a fortune on organic food. Whole food and similar food stores make a fortune. It’s aspirational to be able to afford to eat like this, it’s a signifier of wealth.
There is definitely a class system with what you consume in the States. There already is here but it will become more pronounced.
But that’s totally ok if you can afford a £20 chicken.

You won't be able 'choose' whether to buy or avoid chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef in the supermarkets either. The USA have made it very clear that they will not allow labelling on meat products to show origin as clearly that would hurt their interests.

British products will still say British beef, British chicken. The American shite just won't have an origin label.

@Lovesgood
On the topic of moving from England, we were supposed to be moving to Scotland this summer but then covid happened. We are considering further afield now.
It probably won't be simple, if at all possible for us to do that though as our son has a liver transplant and uses the NHS very frequently. We are probably stuck here and that is a terrifying thought.

@PixelatedLunchbox
What about school dinners, hospital food, soups, pies, ready meals, food in restaurants?

PixelatedLunchbox

You are very naive if you think the UK will demand labelling to show origin of meat, the US have made it explicitly clear that they will not accept that.

'The US government also officially considers country-of-origin labelling a barrier to trade, suggesting it is likely to push for such practices to be outlawed in a free trade agreement. This would make it impossible for consumers to tell whether their product had been sourced from the US.'

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-us-trade-talks-boris-johnson-trump-a9549656.html

Thing is, the people who voted for is aren't complaining, they are saying 'we knew what we voted for'. They also voted for a border down the Irish sea and a removal of our rights to live across a whole continent. It's the people who didn't vote to have this imposed on them or a removal of their rights who are complaining.

No it isn’t, I’ve seen the Jamie Oliver petition shared loads of times by people who happily voted to leave. It’s the latest in a line of broken promises by this government- £350m to the NHS for example. And since we’re stuck with it - democracy, remember, now means ‘winning is more important than shooting yourself in the foot, death before dishonour, what even is truth?’ - why fight it? Why bother? We already voted for this.

@Ginkypig good point well made.

No it isn’t, I’ve seen the Jamie Oliver petition shared loads of times by people who happily voted to leave.
Well they have no right to complain if Remain voters think they're thick. It was obvious we would be in a very weak negotiating position and we were told this would be the case.

[quote Rainbunny]PixelatedLunchbox

You are very naive if you think the UK will demand labelling to show origin of meat, the US have made it explicitly clear that they will not accept that.

'The US government also officially considers country-of-origin labelling a barrier to trade, suggesting it is likely to push for such practices to be outlawed in a free trade agreement. This would make it impossible for consumers to tell whether their product had been sourced from the US.'

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-us-trade-talks-boris-johnson-trump-a9549656.html[/quote]
I am not naive at all. The USA can PUSH all it likes to outlaw country of origin labelling, but it will not pass. Also keep in mind that the orange buffoon is going to be out on his ass come November.

Quit scaremongering.

One ardent brexiteer who I chatted to couldn't think of a single way he's life would improve post-Brexit.

Another Brexiteer still thinks that the trade deal we get with the USA is going to be amazing.

They're not going to be upset by this. We all know that most of them are just not very bright.