To be absolutely fucking livid

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I'm just feeling so pissed off with the British public right now. Seeing the news stories of people crammed onto beaches, stuck in traffic jams, stupid bloody tombstoners, people queuing for 3 hours plus to get into Ikea, nobody wearing masks, tourists crapping in hedges and leaving all their rubbish behind in my beautiful village - what is wrong with people?!

I realise that Coronavirus may not be as dangerous as it first appeared but it is still here, it's still killing 100's of people a day, it's still bad news for anyone overwight, over 50 or with underlying health conditions.

All these people behaving as if it's "gone away". It hasn't!

I'm livid that the government acted too little too late. We didn't close our borders, we haven't got a proper track and trace in place. We look like idiots. Now they are saying oh it's fine to have BBQ's but bring your own ketchup - for goodness sake!

I do think lockdown should be tentatively eased - as a self employed person I've been happy to start to go back to work but I'm being so so careful with hygiene and social distancing. Baby steps. I also do think people should be able to go out for a walk or see relatives so long as social distancing. But there seems to be a general mood of oh it's fine we can all just go back to normal - in fact worse than normal, let's all crowd together and have a big old party!

I'm afraid there will be a second wave due to all this irresponsible behaviour and that we will need to go back to full lockdown, putting businesses and people's health in jeopardy. I'm worried that my daughter won't be able to start uni in September. I'm worried that my neices who are doctors will have to deal with the fall out from all this. I'm worried my husband will be unable to get another job. I'm scared and depressed.

And all these fuckers ignoring social distancing are just taking risks with their own lives and everybody elses - when they visit a beach resort or other tourist place they use the toilets, use the cashpoints, visit the supermarkets or corner shop - all prime places to spread the virus far and wide.

I just don't think the message to be careful has been hammered home hard enough.

it's still killing 100's of people a day,

Nope. Not in the UK anyway. Check your facts.

People are ALLOWED to go to Ikea. People are ALLOWED to go to the park. People are ALLOWED to go to the beach. You might not like that but it's the truth.

They're allowed, so that isn't the problem. It's the behaviour when they get there (see the tampon story above).

Should the councils open the toilets? I can see both sides. Fine if everyone just goes in, does what they need to, washes their hands properly and leave, but how often have you been in a public loo and seen people coming out of a cubicle and not washing their hands? (Answer, for me anyway, a lot.)

Yes I blame the messages from the government, but I blame those people being anti social too.

It was never the plan to keep people locked down forever. For the economy and health of the nation it wouldn’t work. We have to learn to live with the virus. Healthy and young people cannot and should not shut themselves away for the rest of the year. If you are in an at risk group by all means keep yourself away from others. I think if a second wave is likely much better it happens in summer than in flu season.

Yes I was reading the story about the tombstoners on durdle door, with the rescuer almost drowning themself to save his life. I think he should have been left on the seabed personally

Honestly it's like back to normal around here.

Where do you live that it's "normal" with no shops open, no libraries, no kids in school, no museums, galleries, cinemas, theatres, no dentists, hairdressers, restaurants, bars, cafes.....

Yeah, totally normal.

I can't get worked up about people being outside. It's exceptionally low risk. You need to be within a metre or two of an infected person for 15 minutes to even be at risk. Numerous cases of wives having it and husbands not, or vice versa like Charles and Camilla.

You're not going to get it walking past someone on the beach. I also don't get all the angst about people (shock, horror) TOUCHING THINGS as the message has been always to wash your hands if you're worried.

No point being livid over it, you can do exactly bugger all about it. People will do their own things regardless. If you said anything to them they'd tell you to do one.

And as far as millions being dead in the world because of the virus, the last time I looked it was less than 400k.

@fassbendersmistress
"I couldn’t get angry about shoppers or day-trippers or bbq-ers, but I can get angry about the kids trapped at home with their abusers, the families going hungry, the people whose metal health problems are escalating untreated, the already broken economy....Ie. real human problems!!" Exactly ! What has happened to people becoming so obsessed with such minor things and not seeing the bigger picture .
Such a horrible blame culture going on it's awful.

I agree completely about the government's mixed messages, people feeling caged up and desperately wanting to get out and about because they've been in lockdown for weeks - all absolutely fair enough. People are allowed to get out and about now.

There is NO excuse for littering, treating the countryside like a public toilet and/or behaving like an antisocial arsehole though.

Unfortunately it sounds like many of the beach revellers are from that grim section of society who just don't care.

Oh and I'm not wearing a mask either. I don't use public transport, and walking past you in the supermarket for a second isn't going to infect you even in in the incredibly unlikely scenario of me having it in the first place.

People shouldn't be leaving human poo or rubbish anywhere regardless of their rights to travel wherever they like. If they want to pack themselves into a crowded area that's their problem but they should clean up after themselves.

Are you aware that IKEA is actually far safer than the supermarkets!! My friend went and said there was hand gel everywhere, everyone taking it really seriously. Staff cleaning hands in between customers and cleaning trollies/tills.

I love these threads, give it a few months and you'll be the first to complain that our economy is down the shitter and the government have to stop giving out benefits because there's bugger all left. Medical care will also go to shit. There's much more than just covid to worry about.

Obviously the littering and grim behaviour is appalling but do you honestly expect the world to stop until there's a vaccine? If there even is a successful one.

Unless we have a totalitarian state, the stupid and the arrogant will always break the rules.

They know they shouldn’t, they know they are risking making themselves and others sick.

Getting angry will just put your blood pressure up. Look after you and yours, keep them safe. It’s all you can really do.

It might if you coughed over them.

My friend had to meet an elderly man in A&E as the ambulance staff asked if she could support him there. She wasn't allowed in at first but then when she did go in she said none of the staff had masks on. She couldn't believe it. She had hers on but hardly anyone else had one on. She cares for vulnerable people and her husband is in that category too.

Exactly transform

That tampon story, wouldn't you be embarrassed to leave something like that on view?

I voted YABU because you are unreasonable for starting yet another thread about this

• In 4 months from now it will be normal for everyone to wear a mask.

The government will have to make it mandatory.

This will happen, so perhaps get used to the idea now.*

Where have you got this from?

First make yourself a cup of tea and sit down and relax.

Then: don't go to the beach, avoid the busy, crowded places, don't tombstone, avoid Ikea and hedges that people have as you so eloquently put 'crapped in' and stay home and do what you think is right.

Let people risk assess for their own personal needs within guidelines. Bear in mind it is not illegal to go to the beach/shopping/etc and so perhaps ignore them.

I do realise that you are hoping for a second wave so that you can then scream 'I told you so' but hopefully there will not be.

Do you usually get so angry and worked up about what a lot of strangers are doing or are you just having a bad day. You probably ought to stay away from facebook as well since it appears to be full of groups screaming that people are murdering others by visiting the beach. Or maybe that sort of sentiment is right up your street so go on enjoy yourself and scream along with the rest of them.

You sound as though you are focusing too much on the outside world. Limit your exposure to the news and take your attention away from what other people, outside your immediate family are doing. This will help you manage your anxiety.

You need to save your energy. It's being wasted on things that you have no control over. Take one day at a time. Narrow things down considerably. What's the point in living a life of "what if's?" That won't help you. Just don't watch the news. Don't worry about what Tom, Dick and Harry are doing out there. It's none of your business. You are valuable to your family - place your energy with them and shut out everything else for the time being.

You are right, but this highlights how difficult it is for government to get the messaging right. There is a group of people within British society who do not do as they are advised and think they know everything better. Who think just because Cummings went to Durham, they can mix in groups. Those people are the reason why government messages have to be reduced to three thoughts - stay at home, etc. - or even just three words - take back control. It's also the reason why behavioural scientists recommended we didn't shut down sooner. Some people have the memory and staying power of fruit flies. All the rest of us can do is figure out how much risk it's safe for us to take and make our own decisions, but within the guidance. I wish we were more like the Swedes with a better developed sense of personal responsibility.

As for perspective:

In our area we have had MORE DEATHS from drownings and suicides in the last 2 weeks than deaths from Covid-19 so perhaps scream about how awful it is that people are feeling so low that suicide is the answer?

@Psychoseverywhere

I realise that Coronavirus may not be as dangerous as it first appeared

Yet millions have died around the world. Where on earth did you get that nugget of information? Also britain was a joke already due to brexit - this lack of leadership just confirms what we already knew.

That aside it really is shocking to see so many out and about as if nothing has happened and makes me want to stay home all the more because of it. People are idiots.

Where did you get the nugget of information that millions have died?

Do you have access to data that no one else has?

Look at the data and you will see that now we know more it is true that there are very clear demographics for whom this is a likely deadly virus but for the vast majority it isn't anywhere near as dangerous as initially feared.

Live your life by misinformation if you wish but don't expect everyone else to.

Thing is though, the restrictions have been lessened so people are going to make the most of it. We are allowed to go to the beach, for sunbathing, picnics and meeting family and friends. It's not fair to expect no one to do it. IKEA is open so peoole are going to go. It's not unreasonable to expect this, and it will be busy because more people are off work to 'make the most of it'.

However as Nicola sturgeon said in her speech, if it's too busy, go somewhere else. You can only do what you know is right. Just because other people are thick and putting themselves at risk, you can't change that.

@Greysparkles yep corrected myself at the top of page two.

Obviously people who leave poo and tampons on the beach or whatever are scum. That was the case long before any of this happened and it will remain the case when covid-19 has disappeared.

It's grim but there have always been twats like this in society and this is a bit of a red herring.

A lot of people, having spent weeks cooped up inside having had the bejesus scared out of them, are now letting their guard down too far and there will unfortunately be some blowback.

But with a lack of clear direction and guidance and completely mixed messages from the authorities about what they are supposed to do and with flagrant flouting of those rules by the people who put them in place are you surprised?

Yes there's an element of common sense about this and people should exercise their own judgement. But we have lurched in a matter of weeks from being made to feel that we would drop dead as soon as we stepped outside to feeling that we're back in the Swinging Sixties. A good deal of that is because the government has flip-flopped all over the place and failed to leave people with a clear sense of how best to protect themselves. Not to mention failing to put appropriate support in place for those people who are following the rules.

Can you blame people for deciding that they may be the best guardians of their own health and ignoring the rules?