To hope this racist woman loses her job - thread 2

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But Vlad says she doesn't want allies, so what's the point?

The point is, you do it because it’s the right thing to do, not because you might gain something (trust / respect / gratitude / praise) from it.

You do it because all white people have a moral responsibility to dismantle racism, and that shouldn’t be dependent on black people asking us to do it, or being polite, or being grateful for our allyship.

Because it’s the very bare minimum we could and should do.

The filming stopped as soon as she leashed him.
He said thank you and stopped.
The video stopped there.
Are people just making up their own versions now to support their mental gymnastics they're having to make?!

I'm actually embarrassed at the lengths some people are reaching to, trying to justify the woman's behaviour.
She showed exactly who she was having the malice to threaten him with the police, using his colour as something she thought would spring the police into action. Horrible woman.

Are people just making up their own versions now to support their mental gymnastics they're having to make?!

It's bizarre isn't it? We are watching the video and can see what happened, but people will still happily lie and say something completely different.

Blimey, and now people are accusing him of trying to get near women and children! Basically insinuating he might be a sex offender or a paedophile

Nice

Do you have comprehension problems? I said nothing of the kind about him.

It is not normal behaviour to go into a public park with a pocket full of dog treats. He apparently does it because he thinks it deals with dogs off the leash. I would be very suspicious if I saw someone who was not a dog owner trying to tempt my dog over to him using treats. Feeding someone else's pet without asking is not acceptable behaviour.

Trying to tempt someone else's dog to come to you is actually pretty creepy behaviour

Please explain this. What’s creepy about it? And if this is a cause of concern for dog owners, why wouldn’t they solve the problem by simply keeping their dogs on a lead like they are supposed to?

Are you serious? You don't think there is anything odd about a complete stranger trying to get your dog to come to him?

Feeding someone else's pet without asking is not acceptable behaviour.

Neither is letting your animal run riot through a protected area. He wasn't just randomly walking about offering treats to dogs.

Here we go again, the implications that of course the black man must have been doing something wrong. Why else would this poor woman be reacting like that? What is so hard for some people to understand, that as a black man in America he understands that he has to protect himself if a situation arises when dealing with white people. Amy Cooper by her response and words has proved that he is and was right to film her.

Are you serious? You don't think there is anything odd about a complete stranger trying to get your dog to come to him?

I find his explanation - that he knows it will mean people quickly leash their dogs - totally plausible.

And it’s not like he called the dog over out of the blue. He asked her first to put the dog on a lead - something she should have been doing anyway because 1) it’s the rules and 2) if she’s that anxious about her dog being near strangers, it should be leashed at all times anyway.

Do you have comprehension problems? I said nothing of the kind about him.

The problem with trying to gaslight people in a conversation which is written down is that people can double check exactly what you said (which in this case was ‘It's creepy- is he trying to get near to women or children?’)

Are you serious? You don't think there is anything odd about a complete stranger trying to get your dog to come to him?

Isn't it a pity entitled dog-owners who let their dogs terrorise the wildlife aren't regarded as equally odd?

Why his protection?
Are you actually serious?!
Sorry to shout this but BeCAUSE HE IS BLACK AND SHE JUST PULLED THEIR SKIN COLOUR ON THE PHONE!
Unfuckinbelieavble, are you seriously that ignorant to the news?
Thank GOD for camera phones, her monstrous lies could have got him killed.

HE THREATENED HER FIRST, BEFORE HE STARTED FILMING HER.
fFS stop screaming at me when you’ve missed the point anyway.

She called the police because he wouldn’t stop filming her, not the other way round as you are implying.
I completely understand that then using a racial stereotype to make the situation appear more dangerous is blatantly wrong and could have had serious consequences for him ( given that racism is not just limited to her).
But he was a twat for filming her.

Isn't it a pity entitled dog-owners who let their dogs terrorise the wildlife aren't regarded as equally odd?

It’s a bouncy rescue puppy. She’s trying to do the best for it when all the park runs are shut due to Covid. Hardly entitled.

Mr Cooper has explained publically why he carries the treats.

He asks dog owners to put their dogs on a lead in an area where they must be on a lead. If the owner doesn't, he uses the treats to tempt the dog away as this normally prompts the owners to put their dog on a lead.

It's a tactic to get dogs on leads, nothing sinister or creepy about it.

I can't believe the mental twisting going on trying to make him look like the aggressor here. It's showing me exactly why
VladmirsPoutine is saying she is afraid of white women, if I wasn't sure after seeing the behaviour of that woman in the video.

It's made me ashamed of my fellow white women.

It’s a bouncy rescue puppy. She’s trying to do the best for it when all the park runs are shut due to Covid.

Yes, I always throttle the shit out of any dogs I'm trying to to my best for too.
He's a prominent member of a wildlife society, that's why he's there asking people to leash their dogs, it's to protect ground-nesting birds.
I find the implications that he's just a busybody, or something more sinister, racist in themselves.

Anyone who views that footage and sees him as the aggressor is viewing it through a prism of racism. No question.

It’s a bouncy rescue puppy.

She's had the dog for years, according to the shelter:

Amy Cooper's dog has been surrendered to the shelter he was adopted from years earlier while the dispute is addressed, according to a Facebook post from Abandoned Angels Cocker Spaniel Rescue Inc.

"The dog is now in our rescue's care and he is safe and in good health," the post said.

It’s a bouncy rescue puppy. She’s trying to do the best for it when all the park runs are shut due to Covid. Hardly entitled.

Did you watch the same video I did? She is a terrible person to the dog!

Her priority is her altercation with this man, and she half-strangles the dog to do so.

If I had been her and fully convinced I was in the right, I would have retreated for the dog's sake.

Same multi - you don't really think about it until threads like this come up.
One of the comments up thread has stuck with me - it's good that white women are listening, but it's like a lottery - you don't know which type you're going to get
It's horrendous that it's like that.

o you have comprehension problems? I said nothing of the kind about him.

Yes you totally did - you said is he trying to get close to women or children. The insinuation being totally there. Calling him creepy, etc. There are no children in this video, so why do you think he might be trying to get close to children. He certainly isn't trying to get close to women - he asked her repeatedly to move away from him when she stomped over to him!

Why exaggerate in such a manner

Anyone who views that footage and sees him as the aggressor is viewing it through a prism of racism. No question.

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I don't think there's further need to engage with the few but ridiculously vocal racists emerging on this thread. I was going to write something along the lines of what @NotAgainNo so eloquently stated. Several other posters have given very sensible and comprehensive analyses that any literate and cognitive person can understand if they want to. But some don't want to. They just want to argue for the sake of it, and to what end? To derail the thread and divert everyone's attention to their nonsense. We could have focused on what positive steps can be taken to counter the risks faced by black individuals in public spaces, how we can protect wildlife, or even the welfare of dogs. Those things are all clearly needed, but some want to focus on 'maybe he...' 'but what if she...' and ignore the actual facts shown to them. Don't let's waste our time and energy on them.

Mr Cooper isn't some random man going round tempting dogs (and women and children ) for the fun of it. Why are people bent on insinuating this? He's a man on the birdwatching association panel (sorry forgot the name now) who takes his job as seriously as anyone should by using a tactic to get irresponsible dog owners to obey the park rules (because I'm sure he's met countless Amy Coopers before this) and ultimately protect the park.

This tactic can be harmful depending on who's using it but so is anyother action in life, as Amy Cooper has shown regarding the action of 'picking up a phone and calling the police'.

Mr Cooper wasn't using this tactic maliciously. He was simply trying to get a dog back on its lead. Amy Cooper saw an opportunity to destroy a black man's life but it backfired. Thank goodness for smartphones.

If people are gaslighting this much with actual evidence, I wonder what would have happened if there was none. Proper lynching of Mr Cooper, I'm sure.

It’s a bouncy rescue puppy. She’s trying to do the best for it when all the park runs are shut due to Covid. Hardly entitled.

Yeah, the first thing I do when I’m trying to do the best for a dog (not a puppy, btw - it’s years old) is strangle the absolute shit out of it while shouting at a stranger.

And why is her desire to let her dog run free more important than the safety and wellbeing of all the birds nesting in that area of the park which is specifically designated as a protected wildlife area?

How is is anything other than entitled behaviour to think your desire to let your dog off the lead in an area where it is specifically forbidden is more important than the wellbeing of all the birds it’s disturbing?

Actually in the video, Mr Cooper asks her to take the dog to the off-lead area. She didn't say it was "shut". She said it wasn't safe. I'm going to guess that meant, there are other people there and I pretend to be scared of being proximate to other people when it suits me. She wasn't scared of getting in Mr Cooper's face.

CardsforKittens
I’ve never had a dog so I was wondering about this. Is this the kind of thing that would be considered threatening or intimidating to a dog owner? If so it might explain her fear/anger but doesn’t excuse her racist response

DidoLamenting
It's very odd behaviour. It's creepy- is he trying to get near to women or children? People do poison animals, so yes , I would be suspicious of this behaviour. It's normal before offering a sweet or a treat to someone else's dog to ask beforehand.

I was interested to read that Mr Cooper used the threat of feeding dog treats to get owners to leash their dogs because this was a strategy I had already come up with myself. I haven’t done it yet but it’s my plan to deal with dog owners who don’t care that many members of the public really don’t want to engage with their dog. I like dogs (mildly, I guess) but from afar. Knowing what I do about their habits, having them make physical contact with any part of my clothing or body is repugnant to me and I’d like dog walkers to keep their dogs away from me. I am not interested in getting friendly with your dog and I’ll do whatever it takes to keep it away from me. I have tried to engage with dog owners on Mumsnet on this issue many times with absolutely zero success so I’m resorting to self-help.