To hope this racist woman loses her job - thread 2

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But Vlad says she doesn't want allies, so what's the point?

The point is, you do it because it’s the right thing to do, not because you might gain something (trust / respect / gratitude / praise) from it.

You do it because all white people have a moral responsibility to dismantle racism, and that shouldn’t be dependent on black people asking us to do it, or being polite, or being grateful for our allyship.

Because it’s the very bare minimum we could and should do.

[quote PlantPottingPlantPotting]@notagainno are you saying all white people should take responsibility for it?[/quote]
Yes. Because this is about class / group analysis, not an individual.

Try and look at it like this; If you as an individual are not racist, you do not need to be offended when it’s pointed out that white people (as a class) are racist.

And, importantly, even if are we not actively racist we are still responsible for calling out racism when we see it, and listening when we are being told what is racist, and not turning the conversation around to explain why we are not the same as those white people because

As a black woman who has climbed the ladder and encountered plenty of racism, I would like to say that I certainly don’t fear all white women or see them as the enemy. Extraordinary words.

Would you say the same thing to a woman who has sworn off all men because she was raped? Would you chastise her and tell her she's being sexist or hateful because she's saying all men are awful and she hates them? Would you try to make her feel guilty for hating men? Would you not let her feel what she feels? Would you expect her role to be that of a male ego stroker just so she can make some men she comes across feel better?**

Very good comparison. My DH doesn’t get offended when I’m reluctant to trust one of my DDs’ friends’ dads to have sole charge when they’re having a play date, but I don’t have the same concerns if the mum is there. He knows that it’s because of the SA my DSis and I went through as children.

He doesn’t get all offended and suggest that I’m being sexist about all men and keep reminding me that NAMALT. Because I do trust him and he knows that. Besides, he also knows that there are men who are abusers and that I’m obviously not saying that I think it’s true of all men, and I’m not accusing that particular dad either. (I realise that it must be very difficult for single dads, but as it happens I’ve never yet faced that scenario and it isn’t relevant to this thread.)

So I really do get why there’s hostility towards white people in the BAME community, and I know that it’s up to white people to acknowledge their anger and not to minimise it, or to take offence.

@PlantPottingPlantPotting

“We caused this” I didn’t do shit! Never have, never will. So don’t put that on me, that “I” did this. Such an ignorant comment to make.

“You get to challenge them when it’s an equal playing field”

So for now put up with racism

Yeah you did and still are. Your whole post screams they should know their place. Do you uniformly trust all men? I guess not, like all women you are acutely aware of men. That is what people are saying here. Go ahead and be offended but don’t pretend that you also are not racist.

@SoVeryLost I’m not going to respond to your goady comment. I’m sure people have more valuable words to add to this thread. For the PP that has said stand up to racism, I believe I am as my other posts have confirmed. Have a nice day guys x

PlantPottingPlantPotting you’re right to step away from this thread. It’s not about you, but I guess you missed that memo.

@PlantPottingPlantPotting
Except you did respond to my post. I've read your previous posts and they are all about you. Funnily enough this thread isn't about you its about the racism that black people and people of colour face everyday, going into a shop, getting on a train or simply sitting at home. I don't think they care that you are offended at being called racist.

The big issue we have is that it is worse to be called racist than it is to be racist.

I see that the perpetrator was in court today, and that she made a previously-unreported second false report to the police.

The mumsnet racists like @NotTerfNorCis must be gutted.