To hope this racist woman loses her job - thread 2

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But Vlad says she doesn't want allies, so what's the point?

The point is, you do it because it’s the right thing to do, not because you might gain something (trust / respect / gratitude / praise) from it.

You do it because all white people have a moral responsibility to dismantle racism, and that shouldn’t be dependent on black people asking us to do it, or being polite, or being grateful for our allyship.

Because it’s the very bare minimum we could and should do.

Um, but that did happen. And you weren't on his side

He was the aggressor in this case! Watch the video ffs. He went after her.

But you know that.

I cry when I'm furious. It doesn't make me right.

How exactly was she bullied, NotTerf?

Is this about the treats again?

At the point when he wouldn't leave her alone... at the point when he filmed her without her consent... at the point when he tried to give food to her dog... that was when he became the bully.

NotTerfNorCis is clearly a troll.

Or my ex-colleague

Jesus Christ NotTerf, you know the way you talk about this woman doesn't do women any favors.

It's infantising.

The video was for his own protection and proof if anything escalated
at the point when he tried to give food to her dog... that was when he became the bully. Eh?

I tried to put myself in both their places.

In his place, I wouldn't be going around ordering people about like a self-appointed lawman, but if I did I'd certainly back off if someone was obviously upset.

If I were her, I'd be tempted not to obey some random stranger ordering me to do something, and if he followed and filmed me it would certainly be upsetting. Personally I'd slink off rather than call the police but it would be a horrible experience.

I've watched the video. He was not aggressive at all. Unless you think that being a Black Man = being aggressive.

• Infantilising

I can type I swear. :o

NotTerfNorCis

Yes, heaven forbid someone tell you to put your dog on a lead. Heaven forbid you take any notice of clear signage about dogs.

It's nasty for someone to tell you to obey the rules. Screw the impact on ground-nesting birds. How dare someone tell you the world revolve around your dog.

That about it?

When did Maria MacLachlan bully Tara Wolf? At the point MM filmed TW without TW's consent? Oh no, wait, that's different.....

Not just someone. Mr Cooper is somebody akin to the Chair of the RSPB in this country. He helped create and maintain those habitats in Central Park. There are by-laws enforcing the requirement for dogs to be on leads in that area. He was asking her to obey the law, which is the right of any citizen.

Filming someone is not aggressive, it's a non violent, non threatening action making a record of what is actually happening.

When did Maria MacLachlan bully Tara Wolf?

As I'm sure you know, Wolf (TRA) was found guilty of punching and throttling MacLachlan (feminist) having earlier boasted about 'fucking some feminists up'. Wolf used MacLachlan's ownership of a camera as an excuse after the event, but the two events are hardly comparable. Unless you're claiming Amy Cooper planned the whole thing?

non threatening action

So can in no way be used to humiliate someone or destroy their life. Gotcha. Tell that to the Hyde Park TRAs. Their whole justification for Wolf beating up a 60-year-old woman was that she was pointing a camera in their general direction.

Remember Christian Cooper only shared film of one part of the encounter, the part that suited him.

She certainly knew that Mr Cooper would be, rightly, afraid of a white woman reporting a black man to the police. So while she didn't plan the whole thing, she certainly knew that she was weaponising an armed, prejudiced police force.

Tell that to the Hyde Park TRAs. Their whole justification for Wolf beating up a 60-year-old woman was that she was pointing a camera in their general direction.

And they are just as wrong as you.

Not just someone. Mr Cooper is somebody akin to the Chair of the RSPB in this country. He helped create and maintain those habitats in Central Park.

And this is a very important point. I think it is very, very clear from my posts that I have developed a bee in my bonnet about dog owners in nature reserves, who think all green spaces are solely there for their dog, and I am a very casual birdwatcher. What I know about birds could be written on two or three postcards.

This is a man who is dedicated to birds and thank heavens for it. It is men and women like him who preserve the wildlife the rest of us like to look at occasionally. Why should he be expected to just put up and shut up with the latest dog owner? He has his own life, his own worries and stresses and now the pandemic. Why should he bite his tongue and rise above her behaviour?

Maybe she was 'weaponising', like an antagonised, agitated man might 'weaponise' his fists. One thing we know, she didn't start the whole thing or keep pushing it towards crisis point. She wanted out.

I think Mr. Cooper was incredibly polite considering some of the attitudes on MN.

If a child picks a daffodil in a National Trust park they demand a prison sentence.

Of she wanted out the should have left.

What would have been so horrible about her walking away, NotTerf?

No maybe about it. She weaponised the police. He didn't weaponise anything. And yes she did start it by breaking the rules regarding dog and escalating the situation to the point where she lied to police.

She could have just realised where she was, put her dog on the lead and walked off. But she didn't.

Honestly, posters have to stop engaging with this level of cognitive dissonance.

Its exhausting. Its deflecting. It's back breaking (on her part) and the more that's said, the more fucking idiotic it sounds.

So much so, it's becoming quite funny.

Hilarious actually.