To hope this racist woman loses her job - thread 2

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But Vlad says she doesn't want allies, so what's the point?

The point is, you do it because it’s the right thing to do, not because you might gain something (trust / respect / gratitude / praise) from it.

You do it because all white people have a moral responsibility to dismantle racism, and that shouldn’t be dependent on black people asking us to do it, or being polite, or being grateful for our allyship.

Because it’s the very bare minimum we could and should do.

She wanted out WTAF, still at it I see?
Why didn't she just leash the dog and leave then?
Nothing was stopping her from that video.
I'd like to say more about you but I'll probably get a deletion.

No I am not saying Ms Cooper premeditated it. I am drawing a parallel. I am saying that filming someone, even if they don't want to be filmed (and you know they don't want to be filmed and claim it makes them afraid), is your right in a public place; in particular when the person being filmed is acting in a manner contrary to the law, your rights as a citizen going about your lawful business and/or your personal safety.

But you know that.

Hands up every woman who has felt fearful of a strange man and responded by walking towards him?

Hands up every woman who would walk towards a strange man out of fear during a viral pandemic.

I maintain my distance from strange men at the best of times.

She had a dog as well for that little bit of security, too.

Tara Wolf was off Tara's nut when Tara claimed being filmed was aggressive and so was Amy. I was on those threads too. I can only think you have been arguing in bad faith just so you can publicise Tara Wolf and Tara's Memememee behaviour.

NotTerfNorCis, you're not only wrong and you're not only offensive, you're actually wrong and offensive and dangerous.

If I were you, I would be deeply ashamed of myself.

How many people, desperate with fear to call the police for help, glance up at their assailant and say a very polite "excuse me" before dialing?

Outside of this incident, I hope this highlights an essential tenet of white privilege.

The real outrage should be based on the fact she was confident, as the actual law breaker, calling the police would absolutely work in her favour.

In contrast, many black people have faced tragic consequences for doing the same.

Understanding that the benefit of doubt isnt afforded to all, many black people won't even call the police.

The police uphold our laws. Nothing should be more contrasting than the fact a large part of society are scared of them (for valid, historical reasons) whilst the other half celebrate them with impunity.

Hopefully, incidents such as this make people question the imperical evidence they require before extending empathy, care, rage and calls for justice when black lives are threatened or taken. Before, listening and believing the shared experiences of black people the world over and standing by our sides.

How do you perpetuate systematic racism? How much benefit of the doubt do you automatically give to people that look like you when they're up against someone that doesn't. Especially a black man or woman.

How many times is a black person being murdered on video met with, I need to see the full video first? Like anything justifies murder.

How differently would this have turned out for this BLACK man if this wasn't caught on video?

And, can you honestly say the same consequences would have existed were he white?

RIP George Floyd. 2020 and murdered by the state whilst most of society looks on.

Helpful Tips

Things not to do if you want 'out' of a situation:

• refuse to leave the area (particularly if you shouldn't be there anyway),
• approach the person you are trying to avoid (particularly if they ask you repeatedly not to approach them),
• stand next to the person you are trying to avoid and ask them to excuse you while you make a phone call.

Things not to do if you're being recorded and concerned about being shamed on social media:

• make a phony, racially motivated police report with, at best, indifference to the safety of the person of colour you are victimizing.

Things not to do if you dont want to appear to be a white supremicist:

• make a phony, racially motivated police report with, at best, indifference to the safety of the person of colour you are victimizing,
• defend the perpetrator of the above,
• blame the victim.

NotTerfNorCis, you're not only wrong and you're not only offensive, you're actually wrong and offensive and dangerous.

Such dramatics.

I agree with NotTerf. You can see she is upset by being filmed clearly doing something against the park rules. It’s very aggressive when someone films without consent actually. You have no idea what they will do will the footage even for something like not having your dog on a lead. . She knows she’s in the wrong but he’s enjoying her bring wrong.
I think she approaches him because she’s not scared of him but scared of being filmed and wants to see he’s stopped.
Clearly she is also using the black male stereotype for affect. I also think she would have done the same if it was a white male though and emphasised his aggression or height.
However I can absolutely see why using “black man” as a lazy stereotype is wrong and especially in the US actually dangerous.

You are allowed to criticise the racism whilst pointing out he was being a twat filming her.

You are allowed to criticise the racism whilst pointing out he was being a twat filming her.

He needed to film for his own protection. What should he have done? Stood around and waited for the police and their guns to turn up?

I'm so glad that he filmed it. White people have a problem with it because it exposes them and their privilege which they like to pretend doesn't exist.

It benefits white people that black people stop filming these incidents.

Do you not read the news?
Do you not see what happens? There's been a few cases this week.
She used his skin colour against him and weaponised hers.
Have you read about Emmett Till?
You should do.
Thank God for camera phones now.
People can't get away with monstrous lies anymore like this one - he was not threatening her life and his race had fuck all to do with anything.
Her voice went up panicky at the end if that call, you'd think she was being attacked hearing that.
How anyone can defend is beyond me.

How was he being a twat to her? I love dogs myself, but hate it when other people’s are off the lead in a park. I’d have asked her to put it on the lead if those were the rules. His enjoyment of something was being spoiled by her breaking rules, and she clearly didn’t like the “African American” having the temerity to point it out to her.

It’s very aggressive when someone films without consent actually.

You're either extremely disingenuous or badly out of touch. In case you missed it, with yet another case in the news, black people in America are frequently summarily executed by police for being black.
He had to film her for his own safety.
She. on the other hand, was threatening his life.

It's strange to think that the man who filmed the video would most likely vote YABU, when he said "If our goal is to change the underlying factors, I am not sure that this young woman having her life completely torn apart serves that goal."

Not at all. If an arrogant, entitled woman bullied a vulnerable man in a park and wouldn't stop when the man was obviously very upset, I'd be on his side.

That is literally what happened though?

He was the aggressor in this case! Watch the video ffs. He went after her.

Please, please - for the love of god - explain to me how he ‘went after her’ when SHE marched up to HIM with her arm raised, aggressively shouting at him, while he asked her not to approach him? Please lay out the mental gymnastics you are having to do to describe that incident as him going after her?

One thing we know, she didn't start the whole thing or keep pushing it towards crisis point. She wanted out

This is just a lie. She could have clipped her lead on her dog and left at any time. Not one single thing prevented her from getting out of that situation. But instead of leashing her dog and walking away, like anyone who wasn’t a rage-filled bully would have done, she escalated it by calling the police and lying to them that a black man was threatening her life. How can you view that phone call as anything other than an escalation to crisis point?

This is shameful and heartbreaking. Those who call this man "aggressive" for filming a direct LAWBREAKER, what do you call those who hunted down and killed Ahmaud for jogging "maybe, sort of, potentially, intending to, suspected to want to try to but may not have but could have been breaking the law by looking around and walking away"?

I've only seen "the gun went off" (innocently by itself I suppose), "he was acting suspicious", etc. I haven't seen any direct mention of them being the aggressors.

I suppose a phone camera in a park/nature reserve is mightier than a loaded rifle in a quiet residential area? An unarmed, camera-wielding black man is more dangerous and aggressive than two armed gun-toting white men? A lawbreaking white woman is more upset and innocent than an unarmed black man minding his own business and being accosted by two armed white men, decided to fight for his life?

Law breaking white people still get the benefit of the doubt over innocent black people.

No wonder school mass shooters (who are all white AFAIK) are "upset, mentally ill, bullied, victims, lonely", etc but a black boy with a toy gun or fake currency is a dangerous criminal and should be killed or locked up!

Gosh! What does it mean to have tunnel-vision?

He, without actually having a dog with him, was offering dog treats to her dog. He apparently sees himself as some self- appointed park warden and does this when dogs are off- leash.

Trying to tempt someone else's dog to come to you is actually pretty creepy behaviour. Between that and carrying on photographing her after the dog was on a lead and after she'd asked him to stop is behaviour which would justify calling the police. What is wrong is what she said.

He needed to film for his own protection. What should he have done? Stood around and waited for the police and their guns to turn up?

Why his protection? You can hear from his voice he’s very calm and unafraid. He told her that if she was going to do what she liked, so was he and she wouldn’t like it .Obviously he meant filming her and taking it further but it’s still meant to intimidate.

It was the fact he hit his camera out that prompted the phone call to the police. Otherwise they would have argued about the rights and wrongs of a dog off the lead ( the dog run were closed) until one if them backed down.

Between that and carrying on photographing her after the dog was on a lead and after she'd asked him to stop is behaviour which would justify calling the police.

You've completely made that up. He stopped filming the second she leashed the dog. What he actually filmed was her threatening him.

Why his protection?

I can't be bothered to answer this 🤦🏽‍♀️

He, without actually having a dog with him, was offering dog treats to her dog.

I’ve never had a dog so I was wondering about this. Is this the kind of thing that would be considered threatening or intimidating to a dog owner? If so it might explain her fear/anger but doesn’t excuse her racist response.

He, without actually having a dog with him, was offering dog treats to her dog. He apparently sees himself as some self- appointed park warden and does this when dogs are off- leash.

He does this when people refuse to leash their dogs in an area where it is required, because he knows it causes them to put their dogs on leads quickly. He is someone who cares a lot about the birds and tries to protect them from entitled pricks who let their dogs cause damage and disruption to nesting birds. If people don’t want strangers calling their dogs over, perhaps they should follow the rules and keep their dogs on leads?

Trying to tempt someone else's dog to come to you is actually pretty creepy behaviour.

Please explain this. What’s creepy about it? And if this is a cause of concern for dog owners, why wouldn’t they solve the problem by simply keeping their dogs on a lead like they are supposed to?

Between that and carrying on photographing her after the dog was on a lead and after she'd asked him to stop is behaviour which would justify calling the police.

It’s not illegal to film or photograph anyone in public. Please explain why you think calling the police is justified?

What is wrong is what she said.

Nice for you to give one throwaway line at the end of your post to her threatening and racist behaviour, after two whole paragraphs picking apart why his actions (asking her politely to put her dog on a lead, filming her when she threatened him, and asking her not to approach him) were so reprehensible.

Why his protection?
Are you actually serious?!
Sorry to shout this but BeCAUSE HE IS BLACK AND SHE JUST PULLED THEIR SKIN COLOUR ON THE PHONE!
Unfuckinbelieavble, are you seriously that ignorant to the news?
Thank GOD for camera phones, her monstrous lies could have got him killed.
I say this as a middle aged white woman myself.

It's very odd behaviour. It's creepy- is he trying to get near to women or children?

And now the insinuation that he’s a rapist or a pedophile! Absolutely spectacular. From now on, white women are justified in lying to the police that black men are threatening their lives, because maybe they’re rapists or pedophiles anyway.

Blimey, and now people are accusing him of trying to get near women and children! Basically insinuating he might be a sex offender or a paedophile.

Nice.

In normal circumstances I'd be annoyed if someone tried to lure my dog away from me. But it was obvious why he was doing it. He knew that most people at that point would put their dog on a lead to prevent them going over. Result. Yes it's moderately unusual for someone to go that far but it can't be described as creepy. He's on the New York RSBP equivalent panel. He's obviously very serious about bird protection.