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To be mildly gutted about primark?!

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NothingIsGoing2GetBetterItsNot · 27/05/2020 19:38

As in that apparently it won't be amongst the 'non essential' shops opening June 15th....

I know they're doing what they think is the right thing (& at this stage in the proceedings non of us know for sure what's best) but I for one am seeing them as pretty darn Essential right now, especially as all my pre lockdown clothes seem to have inexplicably and simultaneously shrunk! Hmm

So many places online seem to have sold out of decent but reasonably priced cotton shorts in my size (newly acquired 12 - apparently - so fairly average) and till today I'd kind of been pinning my hopes on a brief stock up at my local in a week or two but alas it seems its not too be... Sad

Anyone else a bit peeved it's going to have to be either immediate diet or the drastic measure of the shoe horn (resulting in horrific double - ended muffin top, no doubt)?! And also recommend anywhere online I can get some cotton, preferably cotton linen blend, elasticated waist shorts??
I can't be only Lockdown Lardy out there? Grin

OP posts:
MiniTheMinx · 29/05/2020 05:38

I've discovered their rights are very good, one of their shampoos suits my hair, and one of their mascara is very good. I always buy two or three of their stretchy TShirts in black to wear under stuff in winter. I don't like the rest of their clothes. I'm a bit alternative and prefer vintage clothes, scouring charity shops or small independent shops. But.....if I can't get the shampoo I shall start to look like the wild woman of Borneo.

MiniTheMinx · 29/05/2020 05:41

Tights not rights,

How to avoid Chinese stuff? its impossible

Ladybug82 · 29/05/2020 07:56

I know how you feel my baby was born in lockdown and now 0-3 fits I wanted the next size vests and sleepsuits from primark as they wash well and are cheap. She will be needing them soon I will have to look somewhere else

Nearly47 · 29/05/2020 14:51

I like Primark. Mainly for the kids clothing and few basics. And I don't think they are any worse on human rights than most pricier high street shops

soruff · 29/05/2020 18:32

Rana Plaza: One point that many miss is that Bangladesh has regulations about access and safety, many were copied from Germany. They are good standards.
That factory operator chose to ignore them and probably paid bribes to the Inspectors to not report.
That is why doors were chained/ padlocked.
It was not the fault of the customer - the European retailer. The crooks were all local.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 29/05/2020 18:39

Next do decently priced basics

Nearly47 · 29/05/2020 19:07

Next is much more expensive than Primark. Not for someone looking for low cost. A better options are Tesco's and TU. Similar prices to Primark

Aridane · 30/05/2020 07:57

Next is expensive!

bemusedmoose · 30/05/2020 19:48

I don't know how any clothes shops can open - they are supposed to quarantine anything that gets touched (how do you even police that!? And no trying on. So basically you que for hrs and can only touch what you will pay for... Doesn't seem worth the hassle. Plus only a few in store at a time. Huge stores like primark will spend more money opening up than they will make selling goods. Not safe or profitable.

Look on eBay instead or h&m

TeaAddict235 · 30/05/2020 20:05

Hold on @MiniTheMinx , and they do shampoo?? Do they sell conditioner too? (Careful now, I'm a reformed product junkie!)

contactusdeletus · 31/05/2020 13:30

It's amazing how the snobbery leaps out of some people the minute they hear the words "Primark".

As others have stated, you're often not paying more to get clothing made under more ethical conditions or with more environmentally friendly methods. What you're paying for, when you buy that £45 "more upmarket but still high street" t shirt instead of the £5 Primark one, is the brand name. The product will often have been made in the same place, of the same materials, in the same way. In the case of a lot of these companies (Topshop, River Island, Mango, Zara) they're even sharing factories with the cheaper outlets you despise. They're not superior to them. They're just playing on your snobbery to make a profit.

I work in retail (not in Primark) and have seen the cost price on the items we sell. I think people would be shocked if they realized how huge the mark up is on some of it. Imitation leather handbag selling at £65 for example. Cost price £5. You're not paying for quality, you're paying for marketing, wages, and the biggie of all high street businesses: rents. Primark are cheap for the same reason Lidl are cheap - they cut out all the faff and buy and sell in bulk. That's it. There is no dark secret.

I think most of us who shop between the two know this. We've all got multiple items from Primark that have lasted years and wash very well, and we've all splashed out on something more expensive and had it turn to rags within a month. I've watched a friend try to convince herself discoloration of the fabric is just "a thing that happens sometimes" because her 100% cotton £50 Calvin Klein t shirt became covered in rust coloured streaks after one wash. (Not the machine, if you're wondering. All her Primark and assorted other clothing in the same wash came out fine.) She later went on to repeat the mistake with an even more expensive sweater, because she was so convinced that more expensive = better quality. It pilled after one wear. I'm not saying more expensive items aren't occasionally better tailored or nicer quality, but it really is the luck of the draw, in my view. Taking Primark out of my rotation and frequenting these other stores instead would only be making a mug out of me.

If the posters saying we should "buy better quality" mean we should actually buy really higher end designer stuff - £100 for a plain white tee or what have you - then they've lost all touch with the incomes of working class people, and all I can say is, I hope they're as passionate about implementing a living wage and guaranteed working hours as they are about saving the planet. Something tells me otherwise though.

I'd put the "shop in your well stocked local charity shop full of vintage designer gear and high quality off cuts" argument into the same woefully out of touch camp. If anything really nice makes it to any of my local charity shops, it gets "sent on to headquarters" ie, sold on to someone who will make more profit selling it abroad. Or shipped up to one of the classier big city stores with a reputation to uphold. What's left for us small towners? The stuff that's not worth selling on. You guessed it, Primark and fast fashion. Maybe some extra shipments of fast fashion stock the stores themselves couldn't shift or sell on to outlets like TK Maxx. Past season stuff, usually unsold because of how ugly it is or because of how low the demand for certain sizes was. It's not exactly the creme de la crème.

And you certainly couldn't just nip in to the charity shop if you wanted something specific, like a plain black jumper in a size ten, or a pair of shorts for your eight year old daughter. You'd be there for hours and still most likely come up empty handed. Not everyone has the luxury of that sort of time on their hands. For a working mum, popping into Primark on the school run is much simpler.

People may wrinkle their noses at fast fashion, but there's a reason it's such big business, and it's not just "shallow, frivolous women buying stuff they don't need". It's often women buying stuff they do need but can't afford elsewhere.

The vast majority of Primark clothing isn't made in China either, by the way. It's Bangladesh, Romania, or Turkey.

justasking111 · 31/05/2020 13:33

Cheshire Oaks opening 15th June, hopefully.

contactusdeletus · 31/05/2020 13:39

For the people wondering how clothes shops will manage after lockdown, here's what I've heard so far:

  • Floor markings and limited capacity, like the supermarkets, to encourage social distancing
  • Limited numbers of fitting rooms open. Say, every second or third one only. All clothes to be steam cleaned afterwards.
  • Face masks, gloves, and visors for staff
  • Contactless card payments to be encouraged in place of cash
  • Regular disinfection of surfaces such as tills, shelves, card readers, and lift buttons.

It's not going to be perfect. Far from it. But those are some of the measures under consideration.

TemoraryUsername · 31/05/2020 13:48

I wonder if steam cleaning actually kills the virus, anybody know?

@contactusdeletus has said what I think about primary snobbery on ethical grounds very eloquently. It's VERY difficult to actually buy clothing that was made fair trade, with workers looked after properly, without poisoning rivers and land. I buy basics new and as much as I can second hand.

I can understand primark not opening up yet - think about social distancing and hygiene and the way many people behave in there, it would be a nightmare.

For OP and others who need cheap clothing soon - there's this thing called the internet Wink

CayrolBaaaskin · 31/05/2020 13:53

@contactusdeletus - your post is spot on. So much snobbery and anti Chinese racism on this thread (although many primary clothes are made in Bangladesh and elsewhere anyway).

Nearly47 · 31/05/2020 14:48

Contactusdelectus,

So right. My DH was one these snobs saying he didn't want "his" kids wearing Primark. So we went to Next and similar. He was was so chocked by the lack of difference in quality compared to price that he is now converted. I will get a few items for them elsewhere but the everyday is Primark. Adult clothes is a bit more complex because of cut to suit my body shape not always good in Primark. I love Zara cut and style but promised myself never to buy there anymore because the stitching is so awful. Have several items with broken zippers, stitching that broke after one wear. Never had that with Primark.

onedayallthiswillbeyours · 31/05/2020 14:59

For me Primark isn't even "fast fashion". I have 4 DC and some of their Primark clothes have been handed down between 2 or 3 of them and are still going! I myself had a wardrobe clear out recently and have basic vests, t-shirts and, shirts in there that are 5+ years old and still worn and washed regularly. I do think even Primark quality has slipped in most recent years but I choose carefully and generally by basics that aren't particularly "fashion" influenced. I have some Penneys (Irish Primark) and Dunnes clothes in my wardrobe that I owned before my DD1 was born and she turns 18 this year! Although I'm not sure if that says more about me than the shop Grin.

Anyway we are big fans of Primark and look forward to it opening again in due course.

heartsonacake · 01/06/2020 17:43

Primark has announced it is reopening on the 15th June Smile

amispeakingenglish · 10/06/2020 17:34

Ebay!! I have sold lots of shorts, and have some lovely ones still for sale, all in great condition LOL

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