To think New Zealand has thrown out human rights?

[LilacTree1]

Nodding through these powers

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New Zealand does have a very low population density. They should have much lower incidence of spread .

If you take into account deaths per million and population per sq km into the statistics you might be surprised to know Sweden is actually the worse country .

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or if we try to speak up, we are silenced.

And yet, here you are, speaking up, nobody silencing you.

It’s amazing how often I hear views from people who claim they are not allowed to speak out.

Less than 30 dead? I know where I'd rather be.

I dont think dissenters in NZ are comparable with those here. The actions JA has taken have worked. Those BJ has taken have still resulted in almost 50k deaths.

I think NZ have done amazingly too, and I love Jacinda, but remember they only have a small fraction of the visitors and international flights that we have here - a significantly easier job to shut the country down than in Europe. Far fewer people doing daily or weekly commutes. Barely any doing half term ski breaks on the other side of the world. And don't forget they have about 7% the size of our population.

Europe has got battered by this virus, particularly those countries who travel the most and have the most used hub airports. It is hardly surprising given the constant criss-crossing of travel in this neck of the woods.

At lot more lives have been lost for our freedom than covid will take.
Nothing is worth giving up our freedom for especially if it’s for our own ‘protection’

The laws the UK government enacted in WW2 were pretty draconian, normal democracy was effectively suspended.

Of course we want to retain our existing rights and freedoms in the long term but nothing about NZ's response so far suggests that won't happen. Ultimately it is their democratic decision how they balance the competing rights of freedom and life in this emergency.

I heard they had a really strict lockdown. Not even take away open at first. It does seem to have worked.

The Oz legislation has sunset clauses that I am comfortable with. We also have precedent for more control during emergency with that being rolled back when it is passed.

Plenty of arguing and dissent here so we will be OK. I am not familiar enough with the NZ legislative system to comment but I am really not too concerned the NZers are smart they will be fine.

Minty - I meant in the MSM. Or, apparently, Facebook, but I’m not on that so can’t be sure.

“ what C19 related reason would they need to enter someone’s home for?”

The excuse would be to remove someone to be quarantined elsewhere to stop the spread.

Am I being silly: what C19 related reason would they need to enter someone’s home for?

At the moment social gatherings are limited to 10 people, so this gives the police the rights to go to someone's home and break up large gatherings.

I am in NZ and most people here trust our government to do the right thing and aren't concerned by the law. Honestly the original post is an over-reaction. Why do people always look for the worst possible scenario?

@Viviennemary - you are correct, our lockdown was stricter than the UK's. Takeaways were unavailable until two weeks ago.

“ Why do people always look for the worst possible scenario?”

I never did until the way this was handled.

You must be dreaming if you think New Zealander's are 'secretly' unhappy right now. I can assure you it is quite the opposite. I am a kiwi based in the UK and they are pretty bloody happy with how things have been handled I can assure you.

@AnneOfTeenFables - well said.

Theislands - there must be some, I’m not suggesting it’s a majority.

Japan has a much higher population density than we do and they've had fewer than 1000 deaths. They also have the oldest population.

Yes there will be some of course. I think however there is a cultural difference between NZ and the UK. Kiwis are generally more compliant with government direction. This is something I have noticed about myself experiencing this in the UK - I have found it hard that that people have fought the governments plan stating that their 'freedom' is being taken away from them. The government reaction here has been unclear and slow (I have theories on this for another time) but I have struggled to get my head around so many people fighting the plan to get us out of this. Everyone doing something different/their own thing will never work?

I am a Kiwi and I am concerned about it - along with many others, including the Human Rights Commission which condemned the move yesterday.

The powers given to the police are unprecedented, and despite knowing for weeks that we would be moving into level 2, it was rushed along with no public input, which is unusual in this country.

I can't fault much of the govt response, but JA is now so popular that a lot of stuff that would have been scrutinised seems to be accepted with blind faith. Just read the comments under the news - any news story that criticises a govt move is absolutely slammed.

NZ and Australia had the luxury of watching the rest of the world descend into chaos and choose to implement harsh measures early to try to restrict the inevitable spread of COVID-19 as best they could. These laws are great and the garage measures imposed have helped reduce the spread of COVID-19. Although I complain a lot about living in Australia now, this is one time I am truly grateful to be here (and I will try to complain less!).

Had Australia stopped the Ruby Princess from docking we would also have a third less deaths and a third less cases, as a large portion of cases cane from this cruise ship.

Always better to be over cautious than under cautious - however many around the world are becoming more lax and not adhering to social distancing and I fear a second wave in the winter.

Another one who wishes we lived in NZ.

YouTheCat

Did Japan go in for early treatment?

I heard one brave GP complaining that in the UK, people were just to,d to isolate instead of being given options for early treatment.

Scots- Australians are banned from family visits I think, is that correct?

Sorry - AREN’T banned that should say!

The law and they way that it has been formed does not concern me as I feel it is the right approach in unprecedented times. Strong decisions need to be made in the short term. So far my family are safe and so Jacinda can do whatever she wants in my view. I can barely leave my home in London.

@LilacTree1 different states in Australia have different rules.

As of yesterday Victorian's could have up to 5 people visit their home. My DP visited yesterday and we're going to theirs today.

For us though, it will only be DP visiting.

Well as an actual New Zealander with friends and family still there I can tell you there are no human rights abuses in New Zealand, doesn't happen, there's no willingness to accept it and the media snd population have plenty to say if they disagree and don't mind speaking out. Laws are generally speaking not abused as there's simply to much accountability.
There may be a lower population density but the vast majority of people live in cities. So the zero deaths is not because everyone lives on a farm either 🙄.
There was also during lockdown the ability to go out, to the beach etc, a friend sent me an official video - very sweet and tongue in cheek but a LOT more freedom than here - but the sort that doesn't give you coronavirus.
It never ceases to amaze me the lack of common sense in this country much as I love it. Ok to have Deliveroo and amazon everywhere (coronavirus lives for days on cardboard and paper) but not ok to go to an un crowded open space. In fact, let's close the parks so everyone's got to squash together even more! And let's make them 'exercise' so instead of walking in an orderly fashion they can cough and puff instead! The PM is leftie as hell (though very practical!) so highly unlikely this is going to turn into a dystopian nightmare.