To think that people have forgotten about Wales?

[MrsArchchancellorRidcully]

Irrespective of your view, it feels like the welsh have been forgotten about. At least it feels like that to me.

I live 3 miles from the English border and all I see is talk of what we can do now (drive to exercise, meet in parks, schools may go back etc). Plans for the future are being tentatively made.

Whereas we're still under house arrest more or less. I feel suffocated and feel the welsh gift is being a nanny state. I know many will disagree but I never voted for this. I voted for the govt not the welsh first minister. Why does he get to make plans?

It feels all have forgotten us and were left behind. My DD has friends 15mins away who might get to go back to primary school soon. She is in wales and is devastated.

I would just be over the border into the UK to not be under the devolved Gov.

Part of the reason folk fought so hard for devolution is the idea that England = U.K. or Britain. Both sides of the border would be in the U.K., one side England and one side England, both wholly part of the U.K.

England is out of step with the other home nations, they aren’t rebelling against Westminster - under the terms of devolution these are reserved matters which those governments are duty bound to address in the interests of their devolved nations. The whole point of devolution is that central decision making at Westminster often doesn’t account for differences in society, geography and infrastructure outside of central England.

@TabbyMumz The old ‘speaking welsh on purpose’ chestnut again . Just like those awful French people speaking French in France. Anyone who actually think this thinks the world revolves around them.

Well explained @Jellycatspyjamas

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/people-different-households-can-meet-18233130

It’s really not all that different to the English ‘rules’

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@TabbyMumzThe old ‘speaking welsh on purpose’ chestnut again. Just like those awful French people speaking French in France. Anyone who actually think this thinks the world revolves around them."

You are wrong, they do talk about you in Welsh on purpose. They forget that not all people they dont recognise are tourists, and most can understand what they are saying about you and it isnt pleasant!!!

And I'm talking about near the border where often its unusual to hear Welsh and most speak English. You can walk in a shop and hear them talking English, then they turn to Welsh to bitch about you. So not the same at all as talking French in France.

You’re a Welsh speaker @tabbymumz?

Wow, Tabby that is a sweeping statement,

TabbyMunz "To be honest, Wales is so sparse and rural, you could go out of "local" for your walk and noone would notice"

oh yeah the M4 corridor between two major cities with hundreds of thousands living in each, plus all the towns in between, so sparse and rural. I think you missed a 'some of' out of your sentence.

OP in some ways we are going to have to fall in line with England at some point - see furlough, health might be devolved in Wales but finances aren't, so how does it work when Wales are telling people they can't go back to work but England are saying they are reducing/stopping their furlough payments?

It is confusing, I work for a company that has several different offices, all except mine based in England and they are all saying 'xyz' and we're constantly having to point out that no, we can't do that here at the moment. Made more confusing by the fact that our Cardiff based office covers some English regions.

As a fluent Welsh speaker I can honestly say none of me, my family or my friends have suddenly spoke Welsh to bitch about an English person in a holiday/tourism area. To be fair if you were pissing us off we would just tell you.

We may swap English to Welsh but it's not about you. I tend to parent my son through the medium of Welsh so I switch quite a bit from general conversation in English to parenting tone.

Now you do get the odd Welsh nationalist, die hard independent weirdos. Take no notice of them, none of us do. It's a bit like engaging with the EDL, it's pointless.

I’m 90% convinced the ‘switching into welsh’ story is a myth.

The 10% of me that believes otherwise is because it did happen to me once. I’m quite certain of it. When I replied in French, that rather called the behaviour out.

Overall however, most welsh people I’m sure would never be so rude. I worked in north wales for a while and the people were some of the nicest I’ve met anywhere.

Drakeford by saying stay home where you can rather than stay alert is saying look you welsh you`re as thick as porridge, not capable of taking control of your own safety. As for banning us from driving that is more the police forces telling him if you let the locals onto the roads it will be impossible for us to sift out the english visitors. Which is a fair point because they will not be able to set up road blocks which will hinder food medical and other supplies. We have two sea ports.

If you want to get into Wales spend £32 on a one way ticket from Holyhead to Ireland wave that around and two of you will get in the driver of the vehicle and the foot passenger getting onto the ferry.

No-one has forgotten about Wales, not least because the Welsh won’t let them, especially on here. That’s fine - speak up and be heard - but it does

The Welsh voted to have their own parliament and laws to serve 3 million people then seem surprised that the UK media focuses more on the laws governing 55 million people in England . Yes, “the view from Cardiff” will come later in the coverage, even though it’s been pointless up until this week, when the advice has been identical UK-wide.

Are there really any unique Welsh perspectives on Coronavirus? I can see that there are different circumstances for rural or remote communities than for people in big cities, but that’s the same across the UK. Cumbria or Cornwall are as remote from London as Wales.

You dont need to do that, just buy a loaf of bread and say you are taking it to your elderly relatives.

But it does... reflect a strange Welsh exceptionalism.

I’m not welsh, I think the welsh do seem to see themselves as a different case, but doubtless this is because they’ve sometimes been treated as one.

I’ve got an English friend born in Wales, everyone takes the piss. It’s rude isn’t it?

I can see both sides.

You dont need to do that, just buy a loaf of bread and say you are taking it to your elderly relatives

Or just adhere to the guidelines set out to keep you safe? 🙄 - In Wales, Scotland and NI that is. It looks like Boris is speeding up the second wave.

For those From England who have attempted to swarm our beaches and beauty spots this morning why can’t you drive to the beaches and Beauty spots in England??

I’ve got an English friend born in Wales, everyone takes the piss

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If your friend was born in Wales that would make her Welsh

I'm in Wales and agree with many PP, Boris is steaming ahead.

It sucks, I'm with you there. I really miss my parents and they are desperate to see my DC who are 4 and 14 months so changing all the time. They are 30 mins drive away so we haven't clapped eyes on them since Mother's Day when I dropped a card on the doorstep, before lockdown. Not even a distance chat.

But I still think it's right. I just hope at the end of these 3 weeks there's a bit more of a social bubble model; even just being allowed to see close family members outside from a 2m distance. We have been sticking to the guidelines religiously, only going to a shop once a week and waiting until the next time if we run out. Not driving to walk anywhere, even 2 minutes down the road, so our walks are so dull and Groundhog Day. I'm fed up now especially when I see others not sticking to it. I'm very tempted to drive to my parents with an "essential item" (they can't get flour for love nor money, we can!) and sit in their garden for a 10 minute chat. The garden is big, unless I crash on the drive (which I could do on the way to the supermarket anyway) I really don't see the harm.

Do you mean English sounding? I'm Welsh born and raised but sound English. I've never experienced that.

Do want people coming to second home as that is what will happen if wales does not stay on lockdown. .

Do want people coming to second home as that is what will happen if wales does not stay on lockdown.

Barring being stopped on the way, we could get to our place in Wales and stay a month or more without coming into contact with anybody else.

We won't.

Why are you complaining?

I'm in England and want lockdown to stay. I live in an AONB and people will flock here at the weekend bringing their germs now they're allowed 😡

Why are people saying the devolved nation’s aren’t footing the bill? Oh so no one in Scotland ,Wales or NI pay tax and national insurance? I better get onto HMRC as i‘m due 22years worth of payments back! The government are benefitting from furlough as they get the tax and NI from it. If everyone was unemployed they’d have the benefits bill to foot instead. Also England voted a conservative government in the majority so reap what you sow.

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