To think that people have forgotten about Wales?

[MrsArchchancellorRidcully]

Irrespective of your view, it feels like the welsh have been forgotten about. At least it feels like that to me.

I live 3 miles from the English border and all I see is talk of what we can do now (drive to exercise, meet in parks, schools may go back etc). Plans for the future are being tentatively made.

Whereas we're still under house arrest more or less. I feel suffocated and feel the welsh gift is being a nanny state. I know many will disagree but I never voted for this. I voted for the govt not the welsh first minister. Why does he get to make plans?

It feels all have forgotten us and were left behind. My DD has friends 15mins away who might get to go back to primary school soon. She is in wales and is devastated.

I live in South Wales where we have been told that we are not yet past the peak. Our local NHS was on its knees before this started and needs us to support it with a lockdown a bit longer. Please remember that Wales has less ITU beds than the rest of the UK. I’m very glad that the Welsh assembly are keeping lockdown rules as they are for now. If you don’t like living in a devolved nation, perhaps move?

I think Welsh (Scottish and Northern Irish) policy is far more sensible and thought through than English.

My friend travels over the bridge every weekday for work, she uses the local shops if needed whilst there, she travels down the motorway and has never been stopped. Wales isnt closed at all, she said the SB has been busier than it has been since this started yesterday this morning.

To be honest, Wales is so sparse and rural, you could go out of "local" for your walk and noone would notice. Some people make out the police are hiding round every corner, but there arent enough to go round. If you can go out of local for food shopping and to visit garden centres, which doesnt seem to be essential, why cant you go out of local for your walk (which can be in the countryside where you see noone at all). Makes no sense. Just go for your walk when you have driven to the supermarket for a different view.

It's strange having different rules, I think it should have been kept the same for all. What happens around the border where a persone may be driving along a road that is sometimes in England and sometimes in Wales. Are you allowed to drive on it as long as you are from England and headed to another part of England? Could a Welsh person working in England have their job under threat for not being there if they are open? Really hard to untangle all the aspects to it.

A joined up approach would have been better but Westminster don’t like consulting the devolved governments.

What do you mean by "a road sometimes in England and sometimes in Wales"? The borders dont change very often. If acroad is in Wales on Monday, you can be sure it's in Wales on Wednesday?! Or do you mean you are absent mindedly driving along a road in England, and find yourself in Wales by mistake?
Regarding jobs, if you live in Wales and your job is in England, you are perfectly fine driving to England!!! Or did you thing there was some sort of border patrol, stopping cars and saying "nope, you cant cross this border"!

Happy Dinosaur....people have been driving from Wales to England and vice versa since this all started. It's absolutely fine to drive across for work, shopping, etc

Some roads meander and cross the border. Same in Somerset/Devon. You end up seeing signs saying Welcome to x, then later Welcome to y. Also, if you live in Wales you will at least have to drive in part in Wales, to get to England. I am very aware that there is no border control.

The Welsh Government does not have to worry about funding the furlough scheme or protecting the economy.

Happy Dinosaur ...ah I see what you mean. I think in those circumstances it will be fine. If you get stopped just say you live in England and are going to xxx. Yes if you live in Wales, you have to drive in part of Wales to get to England, but if you get stopped you can say you are going to a supermarket down the road or to care for relatives in England.

Wales had 12 deaths reported the other day. Less than before we locked down. But the problem is we weren't testing at all! So they can't even tell if we have pockets of community transmission going on.

They don't want English people coming in and possibly bringing the virus with them, because they will have no idea what numbers are being infected if that would happen.

Don't hail Drakeford as a great leader, he said care home death were irrelevant and has locked us in a bunker because he doesn't know if the war is over 🤦🏻‍♀️

I think any police in Wales are congregating round the tourist hot spots, they arent sat at the borders.

I think you are probably right TabbyMumz, I'm very law abiding so wouldn't want to risk being arrested (or even just fined really!).

If hospitals can cope now, then it makes sense to relax the rules. Of course there will be an increase in cases. Even China has experienced that. The virus isn't going anywhere. Even if the welsh and other governments lockdown for another 3 weeks, the cases will still rise once lockdown rules are relaxed. It's about managing risk not eliminating it unless you are shielding, in which case you're willing to accept restrictions.

Yes drakeford annoyed me yesterday. Someone asked him why Welsh people couldnt meet with one other person, like in England, and he said they can, and have always been able to!!! Which is absolutely not the case. He went further to say when he goes to his allotment he sees lots of people meeting up and as long as they are 2m apart it's fine!!! Either hes very confused or this wasnt publicised in Wales.

Tabby

You apparently could yes...I mean I would have met up with the gentleman friend who I really like and had a nice socially distanced meeting with him if I could, but we haven't because as far as everyone was aware, we weren't allowed! We will now, and plan to take a flask of coffee each and meet up one evening for a stroll.

Mind you we could also still use family for childcare if they couldn't go to school. I have done this.

We also went back to construction and factory work 3 weeks ago with socially distancing rules in place well before England have this week and we didn't see a spike. That's the only good thing they have done so far.

Him admitting he has been going to a allotment to potter about though, when others were basically told no was like a kick in the gut.

The man's an idiot.

I did wonder if it was confusion around wording, because think they said groups of no more than 2 unless they are from your household. I remember thinking that means so you can meet with one from outside your household but got shot down in flames so thought I must have been wrong. Now thinking I was right all along. Think it may have also been the same in England.

Yes, to think I could have had a socially distanced walk with a friend all along!!

Every other european country has also started to relax the restrictions - it's not as though england is being crazily irresponsible with this.
8 weeks is one thing but keeping school age children isolated from their peers for months on end will have permanent adverse effects on them. Whereas the vast majority are not at any risk at all from this virus.

I never give a thought to Wales. I wouldn't want go go again reading all the keep out stuff here.

Nobody's forgotten about Wales, this time is no different to any other, we always have different rules - the most obvious, for example, is free prescriptions in Wales - but it just isn't usually so apparent.

Viviennemary

"I never give a thought to Wales. I wouldn't want go go again reading all the keep out stuff here."
Yes, some people have gone a bit overboard with saying "keep out" and "Wales is closed".... they've forgotten a lot of Welsh people rely on tourism normally. Years ago they used to turn the road signs round so as tourists got lost and wouldnt go back!!! Or they would talk about you in Welsh when you went into shops to make you feel uneasy.