AIBU to think lockdown must continue

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I have previously posted threads about how I feel about schools and children staying at home now I have started to see more stories like this snippet taken from BBC

A mysterious illness believed to be linked to Covid-19 has killed three children in New York state, Governor Andrew Cuomo said.

The governor described the illness as a “new” syndrome that caused inflammation of blood vessels, leading to possible heart problems.

Cuomo said health authorities were reviewing 73 similar cases of children across the state.

Many of the children did not display symptoms commonly associated with Covid-19 but later tested positive for the disease or the antibodies it produces.

The three deaths may indicate the virus poses a more severe risk to young people than previously thought, Cuomo said.

Surely all those saying this virus is not dangerous to children need to start having a rethink. The Spanish Flu was dangerous to kids in its first peak and the second peak affected adults more. Lets hope this is not the same kind of thing.

We just don’t have the luxury of allowing lockdown to continue. Economically. It would obviously be ideal to continue until there are nil new cases and nil new deaths, and until a vaccine is found, but we have to find a way of easing lockdown to allow businesses to restart trading to protect jobs. It has got to the stage now where the economy has to be the main focus.

I agree op. Sadly some people have taken it upon themselves to ignore social distancing and sod off to the beach/park/ auntie Anne’s/ bob up the road. We should have gone harder and faster from the beginning. My family will continue to wfh and social distance for as long as possible. My dc will not be going back before sept even if schools open.

I agree with you but not for your reasons

We financially can't afford a second peak, so we need t9 be sure we can control this through other means before we relax lockdown, and I suspect the current numbers are still to high to achieve this. Germany are struggling.

I don't think the severe illness of a small number of children is of itself reason to keep lockdown going. We are happy to accept that thousands of children will die each year from pollution after all.

DH and I have had a conversation this morning . We will not change our habits . He will continue to WFH . We will drastically restrict our movements as we do now and not socialise. I am appalled at the pictures on SM of the stupid behaviour this weekend .
My fear is that this is going to be a champagne cork moment and people are going to go potty.

And don't get me started on the stupid slogan this am .

OP yes I think there us a lot we don't know about the virus right now esp the transmission in children and their symptoms . I was reading some articles this am by scientists who had Covid 19 and their experience which doesn't appear to be what we are told - essentially the symptoms going on longer and affecting other organs .

We just don’t have the luxury of allowing lockdown to continue.
So you consider staying alive and trying to reduce the rate of infection with less deaths is a luxury?? That has to be the most stupid comment I've ever seen on Mumsnet!!

So you don’t think @Livelovebehappy has a valid point? I certainly think she does. This situation is completely untenable for many and we are stacking up a variety of other problems, some life threatening, whilst this continues.

3 children? Out of how many?

How many children do you think will suffer from the complete lack of health care currently available in this country?

From homelessness? Poverty? Mental health issues? Neglect?

Or are we saying that none of that matters and we need to prioritise saving children's life above all else?

If that is genuinely your view then I respect that, and I'd like to point you in the direction of all the children dying of malaria so you can sell your house and donate the proceeds to the relief.....

No?

So are we saying only some children's lives matter?

Every death of a child is heartbreaking. But 3 children dying on the other side of the world is not a good enough reason to extend lockdown.

Where did I say luxury = allowing deaths? 🙄 We have to put something in place obviously that reduces the risk of deaths, but also now need to focus on getting the work force back. I work in banking and I see the desperation in lots of contact we receive from businesses. They’re on their knees. I’ve said before we can let the very vulnerable continue with self isolation, but the rest of us now need to return to work.

As with literally everything Covid-related this comes down to assessing & balancing risk. So the virus does pose a (statistically minute) risk to children, but trying to enforce strict social distancing (school closures, social isolation) on children & their families for...how long? is also fraught with risk. I would argue that the risks of the latter are far far greater. But they' will play out more slowly and won't make for big headlines and heart-wrenching human interest stories. Globally kids are a million times more at risk from the collateral damage than the virus directly. This week alone I've read various UN agencies warning that 1.5 billion worldwide stand to lose their livelihoods due to the virus slump and that famine is very possible in some countries.

To be frank I’d rather take my chances with CV than lose my home or starve to death because I’ve lost my job and the economy is fucked beyond repair

The R rate us still too high to sensibly let up
On lockdown. If we do it too soon the health AND economic hit will be huge. Patience is required.

No not 'lockdown forever' but lockdown for a bit longer.

The 40+ kids in hospital in the UK with this 'new set of symptoms' shoukd not be ignored, nor should the long potential term effects on childrens and adults health.

We need R lower & a better hospital admission rate & a better treatment plan.

Otherwise we're going to make the USA's rate look good

Life needs to go on. People need to be able to make their own decisions. It's an infringement of human rights to prevent people seeing their families. People also need to earn money. The risk that this virus presents to most people is less than the risks caused by being socially isolated, unfit and poor. I would welcome a relaxation to include seeing family, meeting people in small groups outdoors, going to work, cafes and pubs opening in the daytime if they have outdoor seating, and outdoor tourist attractions re opening.

Oh and as far as I’m aware; more children in the UK have now died as a result from domestic violence during lockdown, than have died of CV

The country simply can't afford to continue an indefinite lockdown, the right thing to do is gradually left restrictions, watch what happens in other countries and make decisions based on the experience of others ahead of us.

@livelovebehappy sadly lockdown is not going to be lifted today, tweaked very slightly but not lifted.

Economically, if loads of people die, needlessly, then the economy will be even more fucked.

Life won't go on if you're dead.

As well people mean different things by 'lockdown should continue'. I know the transition out of lockdown is going to be cautious and gradual, but I also think that we need to at least start that transition soon. And we're fortunate in that most other European countries are easing up ahead of us, so we can watch and learn.

We can’t afford to continue op

Millions of people have had Covid globally. In fact four million confirmed, so likely more like forty million. Millions of children are in schools globally. The cases are awful but they are isolated and very rare indeed.

We just don’t have the luxury of allowing lockdown to continue.
So you consider staying alive and trying to reduce the rate of infection with less deaths is a luxury?? That has to be the most stupid comment I've ever seen on Mumsnet!!

Maybe you should consider the effects of lockdown before accusing someone else of being stupid. If you think economic meltdown, job losses, record unemployment, a mental health crisis, kids losing out on their education is a price worth paying, I’d suggest an accusation of stupidity is the pot calling the kettle black.

We need to move towards normality
We just can't stay in lockdown forever
People can choose to stay home if they wish,but I expect most people will be keen to get back to normal

OP - what is your financial situation? Do you work? Are you furloughed? Are you really willing for your family to have several years of unemployment, followed by a job at lower income?

bobstersmum absolutely agree I don’t think today’s announcement is going to change the current lockdown rules half as much as people think, but I think there’s going to be some easing of businesses being able to open. I think the government know exactly the timeline for coming out of lockdown, but are drip feeding it to us to avoid people going into meltdown. People cope better when they just have little snippets of information rather than the job lot.

2 children under the age of 15 have died with coronavirus in the UK. Out of a population of about 11 million.

The risk to children is so very very small. Much less than DV or road accidents.

This is a disease that increases risk exponentially as you get older. Like all diseases.

However, we do have a childhood obesity problem and this causes inflammation in the body as standard, so the best thing you can do for your child right now would be to fix their obesity and poor metabolic health - if covid doesn't make them ill, you can be sure that something will at some point.

So 3 children dying of mysterious Covid complications = bad,

Thousands of children currently stuck at home in unsafe and abusive situations = meh?

User we won't go back to normal Government have already said when we come out of lock down eventually it will be a new normal.