AIBU to think lockdown must continue

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I have previously posted threads about how I feel about schools and children staying at home now I have started to see more stories like this snippet taken from BBC

A mysterious illness believed to be linked to Covid-19 has killed three children in New York state, Governor Andrew Cuomo said.

The governor described the illness as a “new” syndrome that caused inflammation of blood vessels, leading to possible heart problems.

Cuomo said health authorities were reviewing 73 similar cases of children across the state.

Many of the children did not display symptoms commonly associated with Covid-19 but later tested positive for the disease or the antibodies it produces.

The three deaths may indicate the virus poses a more severe risk to young people than previously thought, Cuomo said.

Surely all those saying this virus is not dangerous to children need to start having a rethink. The Spanish Flu was dangerous to kids in its first peak and the second peak affected adults more. Lets hope this is not the same kind of thing.

Well, I've been forced by lockdown to have no work, no income, no scheme to help me.

So, is that fair?

I'm devastated that I live in Scotland.

Not everybody can just up an quit

Then they’ll just have to go to work - like millions of others have for the last seven weeks.

imsooverthisdrama

You need to look at the bigger picture not yourself.

I'm worried about the millions of people who may not have a job .

Be careful not to wrench you arm out patting yourself on the back.
What condescending bullshit.

It's all very well some posters saying we're not going anywhere, we're going to continue WFH etc. Well lucky you!
There are many of us who don't have that luxury. We can't do our jobs from home but we still need to earn a living! Plus it depends who you are lockdowned with. If you're not with your partner or on your own that's very hard to bear. I also think the damage to children being off school for too long in social and emotional terms should not be ignored.
We really do need to start easing restrictions, yes gradually, but within the next week or so.

@Macaroni46 exactly

Alsohuman

Yes I know.

but this is in reply to bluntness, who is of the opinion that releasing the lock down wouldn't "force" people to work.

@Bluntness100

I agree with you completely.

The schools thing is a car crash waiting to happen too. The unions should be concentrating on their vulnerable staff and safeguarding their futures, ensuring they can stay at home and have jobs safeguarding. Instead they are trying to use it for bargaining power and political gain seemingly unaware that the teacher shortage is gone for the next few years. They are arguing on semantics and 100% safety while there is a whole army of 21-year old graduates without jobs. Basically the vulnerable teachers will end up being replaced and the unions will have chucked the older teachers under a bus. It’s shocking. And they never ever mention the actual importance of education.

I’m not teacher-bashing btw most teachers are truly amazing, work incredibly hard. I’m union bashing. I needed the NASUWT once and they were a true chocolate teapot.

fripp there are shades of grey. We need to protect the vulnerable and find a way of others getting on with it.

Be careful not to wrench you arm out patting yourself on the back.
What condescending bullshit.*
Maybe , but I've said this all along and I know that the government can't keep paying people to stay at home . So you believe what you want to believe but you must agree that the country can't be lockdown for months . It needs to be eased slowly and yes you need protecting but it's what's best for most people not 1 person.

Teateaandmoretea

We need to protect the vulnerable and find a way of others getting on with it.

I agree.

imsooverthisdrama

I haven't said that the country should be on lock down for months.

I have tried to say that those that don't/can't go back have their reasons.

I also haven't said that I need protecting, I have said that I will be at greater risk.

From what Bluntness has said, it is up to me to minimise those risks.

This is the opposite of what you are saying which is 'the greater good'

No-one is going to be entirely happy.

From what Bluntness has said, it is up to me to minimise those risks

It’s up to us all to minimise those risks. Lockdown or not. Our views on the level of risk is what differs.

And if you don’t agree with the governments approach and view the risk differently then we live in a free society and you’re perfectly at liberty to minimise them further.

You simply cannot expect everyone to stay in lock down to ensure you personally stay safe.

Take responsibility. Like we all have to. You have choices. Don’t take those choices from others.

And it is for the greater good that lock down is eased. We need a balanced approach, society and health. And not just Covid, but all types of health. Inc mental health.

But individuals who view the risk as too high have the right to miminse it further. They do not have the right to dictate our choice is removed from us or that the wider society must suffer because of their view of risk.

I think that continuing the lock-down is not possible since it costs so much hence the message is being watered down and now stay alert etc...

The vulnerable are being told to continue to shield, the fit and healthy gradually return to work. The people dying are sadly many from nursing homes which have been hit badly whereas Jo Public seem to be starting to go about their daily lives now, each day a few more on the roads and out and about. To be honest if you are fit and healthy there is little to worry about, Under 40's are safer with the virus than dying from suicide/accident etc

We need a functioning society and economy. Covid 19 is not the only hazard to life and wellbeing so we need to gradually reduce the restrictions to keep infection at managable rates and safely get people back to work and living more normally again. Some sectors will need more patience and support than others.

Continuing with months and months of "lockdown" will cause huge economic and social devestation that will be endured for many years and in some cases life.

There are people on their 80s still bearing trauma from their WW2 childhoods. WW2 didn't stop killing people in 1945- people were commiting suicide from the trauma of it for many decades to come.

What do we want the toll of Covid 19 to be? How long do we want to be paying for it financially and socially? We never will know the true toll of the damage that lockdown and some of the personal consequences will be felt for decade, and the longer it continues, the deeper and more enduring the consequences will be.

Life is never risk-free.

You simply cannot expect everyone to stay in lock down to ensure you personally stay safe.

I have never said that I did.

Take responsibility. Like we all have to. You have choices. Don’t take those choices from others.

Again very condescending. but whatever happens somebody has their choice taken from them

We need a balanced approach, society and health. And not just Covid, but all types of health. Inc mental health.

Yes we do, but demanding that lock down just ends (like some have) is not the way.

Thank goodness I live in Scotland

Scotland if you look at the figures has less obviously dipped than England. So I suspect your gratitude is misplaced

I haven't said that the country should be on lock down for months.
But we already have been on lockdown for months almost 2 now .

I have tried to say that those that don't/can't go back have their reasons.
I agree with you there , I'm not even saying I'm right I'm just saying what I think.
I was against the lockdown since the beginning.I felt the government should of done more in the beginning when the first case was in the UK but that's a whole other thread.
I respected the lockdown and will continue to do so but I will respect any easing too which i suspect won't be a great deal anyway . I honestly do not think anything major will happen for a few weeks anyway .

Amelie “ The R rate us still too high to sensibly let up”

Isn’t London at 0.5 now?

Yes we do, but demanding that lock down just ends (like some have) is not the way.

Has anyone argued for that? I haven’t seen this personally. All I see is people jumping up and down that we must stay in lock down until it’s 100% safe and there’s a vaccine. Life was never and never will be 100% safe.

I think a lot of people need to learn about and understand risk. The risk of most people dying from covid this year is lower than you dying from other causes this year. The risk is higher for older people but the older you are the higher your risk of dying from everything.

We need to work out how best to prevent spread while getting on with our lives until there is a vaccine. If people want to lock down they can and no one should stop them. It’s a really really nasty virus of that there is no doubt.

Isn’t London at 0.5 now?

The R is being massively pushed up by transmission in hospitals and care homes. That needs to be controlled imo before we have major change.

From what Bluntness has said, it is up to me to minimise those risks.

Of course it is up to you to minimise your risk? Who else is going to? My mum has been shielding for 10 weeks. She absolutely hates it. Hates not being able to see me and her grandchildren but that doesn’t mean that she would deny me or millions of others going out and carrying on with their jobs to keep the country and the economy moving.

Teateaandmoretea

Has anyone argued for that? I haven’t seen this personally. All I see is people jumping up and down that we must stay in lock down until it’s 100% safe and there’s a vaccine. Life was never and never will be 100% safe.

Quite a few have and are arguing for that.
Quite a few are saying that areas should "return" to work (even though they have never stopped) without any types of protection put in place.

Very few are saying that we should stay in lock down till we have a vaccine.

As with everything we are seeing things from our own bias.

LilacTree1

Isn’t London at 0.5 now?

Anywhere form 0.5 - 0.9 depending on which figures you take.

And the 'hotspot' was moving north.