AIBU to think lockdown must continue

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I have previously posted threads about how I feel about schools and children staying at home now I have started to see more stories like this snippet taken from BBC

A mysterious illness believed to be linked to Covid-19 has killed three children in New York state, Governor Andrew Cuomo said.

The governor described the illness as a “new” syndrome that caused inflammation of blood vessels, leading to possible heart problems.

Cuomo said health authorities were reviewing 73 similar cases of children across the state.

Many of the children did not display symptoms commonly associated with Covid-19 but later tested positive for the disease or the antibodies it produces.

The three deaths may indicate the virus poses a more severe risk to young people than previously thought, Cuomo said.

Surely all those saying this virus is not dangerous to children need to start having a rethink. The Spanish Flu was dangerous to kids in its first peak and the second peak affected adults more. Lets hope this is not the same kind of thing.

You can put measures in place, but staying locked down, destroying people’s livelihoods is not a solution.

What is your livelihood onlyfools?

Three children dying in New York is terrible but not reason enough to continue the schools closure, the effects of mental health on children is far more serious and concerning.

THats why we have speed limits and school zones. We mitigate risks we don’t say oh well some kids die in house fires so why bother having speed limits

We take reasonable measures to mitigate risks.

We could quite easily ban cars within a 1 mile radius, but we don't.

Or like pp suggested we could build schools on both sides of the road. We don't do that either.

Or we could just close schools completely and educate all children from home? Fabulous idea! Oh wait, no it actually isn't for about 1000 different reasons.

TheHoneyBadger I’m an assistant- why?

... at some point we have to take the plunge, this current situation is unsustainable.

Lock down in it's current form cannot go on much longer. A gradual easing has to start, the sooner the better. people need to work in order to keep roofs over their heads, food in their stomachs and to pay for everything else through taxation etc. More children have died of cancer than have died with covid so maybe a bit of perspective is needed

Life needs to go on. People need to be able to make their own decisions. It's an infringement of human rights to prevent people seeing their families

What about the human rights of those who WANT to keep safe, WANT the economy to improve and DO NOT WANT A SECOND PEAK? The people who are disregarding the stay at home rules are not going to get any better.

People who go out without good reason should be logged, tagged and out to the back of a big queue when a vaccine is here!

Selfishness causes heartache.

What about the human rights of those who WANT to keep safe, WANT the economy to improve and DO NOT WANT A SECOND PEAK?

They can stay incarcerated in their homes and let the rest of us get on with our lives. They can’t expect us to keep paying for them though.

@Alsohuman so all those shielded and wfh should stop paying taxes too?

Those furloughed are still paying taxes. They are also paying mortgages, buying shopping and paying bills.

What about the human rights of those who WANT to keep safe, WANT the economy to improve and DO NOT WANT A SECOND PEAK?

Then they can stay home. What they don’t have a right to do is demand everyone else to stay home too. Nor can they demand the government financially maintains their standard of living whilst they stay home.

But you can stay home for ever more. Claim benefits. Home school your kids. You can continue to lock down as long as you wish.

Crack on.

Perhaps they’ll dip in and out of full lockdown in an attempt to keep numbers as high as possible within capacity until herd immunity is achieved? The alternative is to remain in lockdown until there is a vaccine and the disease is eradicated. Or they could lockdown until there is a fairly small number of cases which would take ages, then let it explode again, then lock down again and so on.

Those furloughed, while paying taxes are not contributing to the public purse by increasing revenues into the treasury because they are paid from the public purse of the treasury
Yes their spending by way of vat etc does

The furlough scheme is hugely costly and not sustainable.

@millymollymoomoo I agree the furlough scheme is not sustainable. I was thinking a few more weeks not several more months.

I see your point about the taxes though.

In the UK we have restrictions, not a lockdown.

Most of these restrictions need to stay in my view, especially given the lack of adequate amounts of PPE and testing.

I agree with the earlier point that Matt Hancock is likely to be the scapegoat.

Once again I suspect the split here is simply those who are absolutely fine financially to stay at home (and can therefore sanctimoniously use the children are dying card) vs those who aren't or have some grasp of economics.

@arethereanyleftatall I can’t speak for other but I most certainly can’t afford lockdown. I am already in arrears with my utility bills. But I’d rather phone brutish gas and beg for more time than expose vulnerable members of my family. I’m wfh but dh job changed enormously.

I’m hoping I’m getting some money back from school trips that have been cancelled.

We are a JAM family who want to keep safe that’s all.

@arethereanyleftatall perfectly put

yanbu. We haven't flattened the curve

Surely One person can not claim for themselves a freedom that in doing so denies that and many lesser freedoms to others?

We can not stay in lockdown forever, but nor can we allow the actions of some to determine the actions of others

That works equally well for those who want lockdown till vaccine and those who want to get their lives back now.

We need a careful balance that we can all tread together

But those graphs are 'total cases' @colouringindoors
Ours have increased as our testing hasn't been consistent; we test people now who wouldn't have been tested last month, so there's bound to be more. The graph you need is hospital admissions.

Ultimately it cant continue. The outcome of continuing with the lockdown until a forever moving goalpost is met (lets be honest, the reasons to keep it in place change on here by the day) is going to be worse and have a bigger impact on the whole country than coronavirus.

99.9% will disagree, but there you go.

It’s an incredibly privileged position to dictate that lockdown should simply not be allowed to be relaxed or reviewed. To not concede that there are MANY reasons why people believe we should move forward.

You personally may be fine with it but lots aren’t. Lots of people are struggling for a multiple of reasons. Too many to list but pps have summed it up well.

Yes in an ideal would we would all be able to sit in out, privileged in our financial stable, family, healthy and secure homes and wait for the world to recover. But that’s just not the way things are.

To suggest there are NO reasons valid enough to work on balancing the risk and let the country start to move forward is very shortsighted, naive but mostly just very privileged.

@arethereanyleftatall has summed it up well

I personally am waiting on an urgent medical procedure which cannot go ahead currently. If you are happy for that to be delayed indefinitely OP then perhaps you would be happy to explain to my partner and children if I die

From today’s news bulletins there doesn’t appear that there will be any significant changes to the lockdown. Have to wait to see what Boris says this evening.