AIBU to think lockdown must continue

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I have previously posted threads about how I feel about schools and children staying at home now I have started to see more stories like this snippet taken from BBC

A mysterious illness believed to be linked to Covid-19 has killed three children in New York state, Governor Andrew Cuomo said.

The governor described the illness as a “new” syndrome that caused inflammation of blood vessels, leading to possible heart problems.

Cuomo said health authorities were reviewing 73 similar cases of children across the state.

Many of the children did not display symptoms commonly associated with Covid-19 but later tested positive for the disease or the antibodies it produces.

The three deaths may indicate the virus poses a more severe risk to young people than previously thought, Cuomo said.

Surely all those saying this virus is not dangerous to children need to start having a rethink. The Spanish Flu was dangerous to kids in its first peak and the second peak affected adults more. Lets hope this is not the same kind of thing.

With no end in sight people will get more and more wreck less- near on everyone I know (who has abided by all the rules) has done something this weekend they wouldn’t have done weeks ago, eg: travelled to a park further away from home, hugged a relative, held a Street party, mingled with friends. You have to give people something to make them abide by the majority of rules

To be frank I’d rather take my chances with CV than lose my home or starve to death because I’ve lost my job and the economy is fucked beyond repair

Absolutely, this is what has got to happen or the country is more screwed than it already is and boy is it screwed and I'm not including covid bloody 19 in the statement.

Economically there are a fair few million (yes that will include a lot here shouting for the lockdown to stay in place) that are going to be fucked but just don't know it/can't see it yet. Will it all be worth it then?

It probably wont be pleasing everyone, with what Boris and co,decide what all the new measures will be,re lock down. They have bungled a few things up of late, but I am sure they wan't to get things right,for the health of the country. Mainly, they are worrying about the virus re emerging more badly again later on.

My little issue, and only small in the scheme of things,is that I really need to have new glasses, which means a new extensive eye test, etc,all close contact with a person in a small room. I am 70 plus, and despite being fit and well,I am not sure if this will happen any time soon.

I think that people will be getting more freedom in the outdoors, and there is talk about some types of shops opening up.etc,and trains are dealing with things etc.. So wait and see what Boris says,and wait for all the onslaught afterwards !

@arethereanyleftatall spot on

The government cannot win this one. Either they lock down further and fuck the economy and habe mass unemployment and subsequent poverty. Or they lift and try to manage this through. People are divided based on how it impacts them personally right now, and how well they are able to understand the economic impacts, even how much they care about that v what benefits them now.

However one thing we know about Boris is he isn’t one to run scared. We learned that with brexit when he prorogued Parliament and held to his guns.

Once people are back at work, they will just move to wistful thinking about the time when they got to stay home and be paid for it.

However until then they will kick and scream to keep it going.

To be frank I’d rather take my chances with CV than lose my home or starve to death because I’ve lost my job and the economy is fucked beyond repair

^^This. Only people who can afford to are saying they want to stay on it. Just wait until the 60% furlough kicks in, bet your bottom dollar they won't be so happy then to just stay at home whilst their bills are going unpaid and they're burning through any savings they used to have that lockdown is now forcing them to use to make up the financial shortfall.

Op you must realise that not everyone has the luxury of your situation that you wfh and have savings .
A lot of people live pay day to pay day.
A lot can't wfh so are worried about their job.
A lot of people are struggling mentally with seeing nobody.
Also children , yes many are fine but a lot aren't they don't understand why they can't see their friends.
The people with Sen that rely on respite that aren't getting any .
The people that can't see a dentist or routine appointments that are cancelled.
I could go on and yes I'm aware of the pros for lockdown and I don't think it should be ended yet just eased out of it slowly .
The point I'm just trying to make that just because you will be ok for a year a lot won't be , the economy won't be so it will affect you at some point .

@Bluntness100

He kind of got the Prorogation a little wrong didn't he?

Once people are back at work, they will just move to wistful thinking about the time when they got to stay home and be paid for it

However until then they will kick and scream to keep it going

Not all of us lazy furloughed good for nothings think like that. Some of us can't wait to get back to work. Assuming that we have jobs to go back to of course and don't suddenly become lazy benefit scroungers instead.

The 40+ kids in hospital in the UK with this 'new set of symptoms' shoukd not be ignored

It’s 40 in one London hospital, not across the U.K.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/children-hyper-inflammatory-disease-coronavirus-a4434636.html

I honestly thought we would have another three week lockdown and that this Sunday, Boris would announce plans starting in June but that the message wouldn’t change from ‘Stay Home’

It’s a bit of a mess. Ever since he announced that we would get going on ‘some measures’ from Monday, and the papers have published what that think will be allowed from tomorrow, far too many people have relaxed and started behaving differently. I actually know very few people who are following current guidelines and I imagine that anything he announces today that we can supposedly do from tomorrow will just be stuff many people are already doing anyway.

That being said, I absolutely agree that we cannot continue like this forever. The massive detrimental effects don’t bear thinking about.

If it were me, I’d have continued lockdown for another three weeks, reinforcing the same message of stay home, and then hopefully the new cases would be so much lower by June that we can cautiously start to lift restrictions (preferably with track and trace in place etc)

However, as it stands, I worry that far too many people will crack on as they wish and we will have another full lockdown not too far in the distant future.

And honestly, even I don’t know what to do anymore. I’m not sure what to believe or whether there is any point in me still following guidelines!

I haven’t seen my (70 year old COPD suffering smoker) mom since beginning of March and she is desperate for us to go over for a ‘socially distanced visit’ (which I am aware is against guidelines) I’ve said let’s wait and see what is announced today but honestly, how much longer can I carry on not seeing her for??

I agree that a lot of people on here think any death due to covid is terrible but if you die of anything else, well it's tough.

They need to sort out dentistry too. The situation is completely unacceptable.

AIBU to believe that we really need another 5 million threads from people who've decided what we all MUST do.

You go ahead, lock yourself up till 2025 - no one's stopping you, but the state is going to stop subsidising this at some point.

We should have locked down sooner and harder. If we had, we probably would be okay to start relaxing somewhat now. But we didn't. So we're still having high number of deaths, high numbers of new infections, and bloody low numbers of essential PPE. Loosening things just yet is insanity.

YABU and I can't be bothered to repeat the reasons why.

You go ahead, lock yourself up till 2025 - no one's stopping you, but the state is going to stop subsidising this at some point.

Yep, very soon Rishi and Co. will be saying "funding is over for furlough, get back out there, that's if you've got something to go back to. Good luck folks!! Oh and by the way, that money we 'gave' you? Your taxes are going up to start paying us back".

I also can’t understand the mindset or arrogance of demanding lock down must continue.

Each individual has the absolute right to continue to lock down. Demanding all of society does it too, that schools can’t go back, that people must stay home, is unutterable arrogance and selfishness.

Because no rights are removed from the individual who wishes to continue to lock down when lock down is relaxed. They can stay home, claim benefits, exercise once a day, not see family or friends, shop only for essentials, home school their kids. It’s their total right.

But to demand everyone else does the same? Why would you do that?

If you want it to continue then you continue. Contact your kids school now. Contact your employer. Put your claim in for benefits. Deal with your housing issues. Take full responsibility for your personal choices. Own it.

But don’t demand everyone else does the same so you don’t have to own it, so you don’t have any personal consequences and because you get to avoid personal consequences if everyone else is forced to do it too.

Looks like there isn’t going to be any changes to the lockdown

Bluntness great post.

Bluntness100
I also can’t understand the mindset or arrogance of demanding lock down must continue.

If its arrogance, then it must be the same arrogance of those demanding that the lock down must be lifted.

@Bluntness100

I also can’t understand the mindset or arrogance of demanding lock down must continue.

Oh, the irony.

It's not ironic because people can choose to keep locked down whereas others are forced to be locked up against their will.

If its arrogance, then it must be the same arrogance of those demanding that the lock down must be lifted

This makes no logical sense.

Because those demanding it be lifted are not stopping those who wish it to continue to keep locking down. They are not stopping anyone do anything. The right to remain locked down remains yours, no one is stopping you.

The difference is, those demanding it continue are stopping others doing as they feel is right.

It is illogical to say one group stopping another group. Is the same as one group not stopping another group.

You wish to lock down for longer, then go for it. Do it for as long as you please. A year, two years, fill your boots.

Bluntness rights are removed from the vulnerable if others start to go out and about more because R goes up, so the vulnerable become forced to stay locked up, forced to move towards full self isolation if they are to have the same chance of dying as those who are less vulnerable

Chance of dying = likelihood of catching * probability of dying if you catch it

Those who want the lock down eased are not insisting that every should follow their lead, many have said if people want to remain at home then that is their choice. Those that want lock down continued are insisting that everyone should follow their lead and stay at home whether they want to or not. That's the difference, so not ironic at all.