AIBU to think lockdown must continue

[whacks493]

I have previously posted threads about how I feel about schools and children staying at home now I have started to see more stories like this snippet taken from BBC

A mysterious illness believed to be linked to Covid-19 has killed three children in New York state, Governor Andrew Cuomo said.

The governor described the illness as a “new” syndrome that caused inflammation of blood vessels, leading to possible heart problems.

Cuomo said health authorities were reviewing 73 similar cases of children across the state.

Many of the children did not display symptoms commonly associated with Covid-19 but later tested positive for the disease or the antibodies it produces.

The three deaths may indicate the virus poses a more severe risk to young people than previously thought, Cuomo said.

Surely all those saying this virus is not dangerous to children need to start having a rethink. The Spanish Flu was dangerous to kids in its first peak and the second peak affected adults more. Lets hope this is not the same kind of thing.

For how long though OP? If you think we should just stay locked down indefinitely or until a vaccine is developed, tested and rolled out (which will take many months) then YABU.

We don't have the luxury of this being a black and white decision, lockdown or no lockdown. Lockdown has consequences, not least of which is the eventual collapse of our economy. We need to start easing lockdown in a controlled manner and as we get controls such as track and trace, sufficient PPE etc in place to counter the increased risk of infection.

You've read an article that there may be some additional risk to children. So your answer is to deprive all children of an education, social interaction, parents who are earning a living, an economy that will offer them opportunities when they become adults. Your happy to deprive them (indeed all of us) of their future for a speculative risk.

The argument that people need to be free to make their own decisions is one I find uncomfortable, because of the direct effect of people's choices on other people

Either we move as a country to a fairly safe way of living for all, with some restrictions on all, or we allow people freedom, which forces others , especially those who are overweight, BAME, diabetic, asthmatic, into greater isolation because the risk to them could rapidly becomes clearly unacceptable

Further The rate of serious illness for the over 45s is high enough that the NHS would be overwhelmed even if the over 70's were in total isolation . So if people are free to make their own choices, there is also a risk that their free choices will seriously damage the NHS.

There is no right to freedom without an acceptance of responsibility

OP - what is your financial situation? Do you work? Are you furloughed? Are you really willing for your family to have several years of unemployment, followed by a job at lower income?

WFH at moment but have enough savings to last for almost a year if budget carefully if work stopped paying. Not well paid probably at the median line for income 25-35k category

The situation with these poor children's deaths can unfortunately happen when the body overreacts to a virus. Any virus. It's tragic, and it's fortunately rare.

Media scaremongering really has resulted in very effectively terrifying this nation. It's unforgiveably irresponsible.

@whacks493 So basically you’ve got the typical ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude that is becoming so apparent during this pandemic?

Maybe ,certainly short term ,long term time will tell,but it will be a lot more normal than this

Video has just beaten me to it. OP, surely you have enough self awareness to realise that not everyone is in as fortunate position as you are?

If kids are in situations of dv and at risk police and ss are the answer not school. Is it ok to live at risk with a violent parent outside of covid?

@VideographybyLouBloom No I have the attitude of thinking that if I manage my money like I've always done I can survive for longer.

Someone asked about my situation and I answered. I never mentioned any one else's situation you are just trying to inflammatory

People can choose to stay home if they wish,but I expect most people will be keen to get back to normal

I disagree. I think most people want lock down to continue for at least another 3 weeks.

What do you mean by normal? Schools will have reduced hours and social distancing. Shops will still have social distancing as will public transport and offices.

And no one needs to starve to death ffs. Talk about scaremongering hysteria from those accusing others of hysteria for wanting to continue cautiously in the face of a novel pandemic

Unfortunately as the UK has only had a mild version of the lockdown and hundreds of people headed to parks, beaches, VE parties etc this weekend, in two weeks time there will be another spike in cases and we’ll be back where we started.

And no one needs to starve to death ffs. Talk about scaremongering hysteria from those accusing others of hysteria for wanting to continue cautiously in the face of a novel pandemic

Businesses not open equals no work. No work equals no spending. No spending and no working equals no taxes being collected. No taxes being collected equals no benefits or UC for people who have lost their jobs or can’t work because businesses aren’t open due to the country being in indefinite lockdown. No benefits or UC from the government equals people becoming homeless and having no food.
Do tell me if I have missed anything.

Taxes are still being collected from the millions of us still working and also from the payments made to those paid through the furlough scheme.

This is incredibly rare. Far more children are dying from other things.

Also the children that died in the UK, 6 out of 7 of them were clinically obese. Are your children clinically obese OP? (Can't find the link where I read this sorry)

i think most people want lock down to continue for at least another 3 weeks

Why what happens in three weeks? And obviously thinking people want this to continue doesn’t tie with everyone out and about does it? It can’t be both.

Or. Oh wait, it can. If people want to it to continue because they like being able to stay home and get paid.

It has to end in a controlled way. The risks are minimal to children. It's quite possible several children would have contracted meningococcal meningitis if lockdown hadn't happened, as it's more likely in spring and autumn. These cases haven't happened because of lockdown (in theory).

We can't eliminate all risks in life.

It should have been sooner and a lot harsher, permit style like other countries given how many on MN and in real life have admitted to breaking the rules.

We should have also closed the borders like NZ. No one in or out the moment it appeared elsewhere.

Why should it have been sooner and harsher? It was to prevent the. Nhs being breached and that was overwhelmingly successful.

The disease isn’t going anywhere. We didn’t lock down to eradicate it. No one did.

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Taxes are still being collected from the millions of us still working and also from the payments made to those paid through the furlough scheme.

Yep and council tax and vat on everything we buy etc.

Recession at this point (after a decade of austerity) would have to be handled with stimulus economics, eg.investing in public services.

Personally I would be ecstatic to be able to earn interest and see house prices fall but guess that’s too much to ask for.

Why what happens in three weeks?

We look at it again

And obviously thinking people want this to continue doesn’t tie with everyone out and about does it? It can’t be both.

But everyone isn't out and about. Quite the reverse, in general.

Or. Oh wait, it can. If people want to it to continue because they like being able to stay home and get paid.

Don't judge others by your low standards. That could be a motivation for you but decent people want to save the lives of the weak and vulnerable.

YABU. It's time to get people back to work. The government aren't going to pay us to stay at home indefinitely.

Children are more likely to die crossing the road on the way to school than of covid. Enough is enough now, we need to start educating children again, we need to start earning money again.

THats why we have speed limits and school zones. We mitigate risks we don’t say oh well some kids die in house fires so why bother having speed limits

Don't say things like children are more likely to die crossing the road or the idiots will start calling for schools to be built on both sides of every road so that no child has to cross a road.