to not see any redeeming characteristics in Donald Trump?

[BlackKite]

I have just finished a book "Very Stable Genius" by two reporters from the Washington Post, who have been covering Donald Trump's presidency. The picture that emerges from that book (and other things I have read) is of man of no redeeming characteristics. He is bad tempered, narcissistic, revels in his ignorance, is petty, and a bully to boot.

People who work with him (even those who share a conservative world view) seem to not be able to stand him because of his character as a human being.

AIBU to not see any redeeming characteristics in him? Are there any?

@Pinkyyy you said earlier that he has done a good job. Can you give some examples of that?

@Pinkyyy

Why do you think so positively about Trump? Can you give a concrete example of something he's done that make you approve of him so much? The facts behind your opinion as you put it. Genuine question. Please see my above posts, I refuse to believe anyone can be all bad.

I won't be giving my reasons as I've suffered enough ridicule on this thread. I do appreciate your positive outlook though @KenDodd.

Pinkky You are fighting a losing battle here. These are the same people who thought that calling voters "a basket of deplorables" would get them to vote for Hillary in 2016 because it was "her turn". Or that labelling Brexit voters universally racist and stupid would lead to a stomping Labour victory in 2019 (80 seat Tory majority). Or that we should believe all women (except for Tara Reade , because Trump).
The most positive thing about Trump winning in 2016 is that he got 2 Supreme Court picks and enabled the DOJ to reverse the Obama administration overreach on Title IX, which had effectively removed sex based protections from Girls and extended rights to anyone who identified as a "Girl". So 165 million women and girls are protected for at least 30 years. But hey ho Orange Man Bad!

Pinkyyy how about starting your own thread for singing the praises of Donald Trump, according to you he has lots of supporters, there must be some people on Mumsnet who share your opinions?

Actually I've got one☝️
I think the magnitude of his self belief is stupendous😮

@BelleHathor I've realised that haha. It was the same with the UK general election and with Brexit, but look how they turned out, seems I'm not alone after all.

@B1rdbra1n do you start your own thread on here every time you have different opinions?

The most positive thing about Trump winning in 2016 is that he got 2 Supreme Court picks
So the best thing about him is that two Supreme Court vacancies happened to be available to be filled during his term (one via somewhat underhand means)?

What a man.

It’s a shame you won’t give reasons. I’m genuinely interested to understand his supporters POV.

You say he has accomplished unbelievable things, but won’t elaborate on that point. I’ve not come across any supporters willing to list them.

oh I see we're playing the 'right wingers are radical feminists' card again.

This is a UK site, Belle. Not really sure why you think it had any effect on the US elections (of which Clinton won the populat vote)

Nope not playing any cards, I am British and a feminist, generally left wing except I don't virtue signal. Can't see where I said Mumsnet influenced the US election? And do you know what when NBC, MSNBC, CNN were not giving radical feminists a platform bloody Fox News did. I want to see real action to protect women and girls not just this pathetic political purity nonsense that the modern day left does.

If you read the posts again pinky I don’t think anyone is making assumptions about you based on your education or ethnicity, they’re making assumptions based on your comments and opinions. Why don’t you challenge these assumptions by backing up your opinions with reasoning and evidence?

He is an ignorant, misogynist, bigot. He can hardly string two words together and struggles to read a script or an autocue. I'm old enough to remember Nixon as President and he was an international embarrassement but nothing like as bad as the present in day incumbent. I can't understand how anyone, least if all those from a minority background, can see any good in him at all. He doesn't have even an elementary understanding of democracy, he thinks he running a dictatorship, thank God for the constitution.

Nope not playing any cards, I am British and a feminist, generally left wing except I don't virtue signal. Can't see where I said Mumsnet influenced the US election? And do you know what when NBC, MSNBC, CNN were not giving radical feminists a platform bloody Fox News did. I want to see real action to protect women and girls not just this pathetic political purity nonsense that the modern day left does
Trump campaigned on appointing judges that would overturn Roe v Wade, and it appears he may well have done that.

How does celebrating that achievement square with your feminism?

Surely, even those who are passionately anti-trans can see that presiding over a massive roll back of reproductive rights was far more harmful to women and girls? The states where they tried to make it illegal to end an ectopic pregnancy?

He makes Boris look good. When apparently the world is staring at us in horror for our late lockdown and high death rate, we can at least say "no one has ever drunk bleach (or fish tank cleaner, which killed at least one man) because our leader told them to."

True, well I believe that a woman has a right to choose. As a black woman I can't help but feel uncomfortable with places such as planned parenthood which was founded by a racist eugenicist (Margaret Sanger who believed that people of low intelligence shouldn't reproduce). So its complicated, but the right to define a woman based on sex not gender was far more important and urgent.

So you're happy for him to keep playing up to the bigots in his support if it serves your purposes? I dont see that working very well in the long or even short term really.

He did that because he cant get away with attacking gay people anymore so has moved onto another target. You know that as well as we do.

He is garbage.

Umm... positives about Trump...

He obviously listens to medical advice and always makes sure he wears those little goggle things when he cooks himself on the sunbed = cancer awareness.

He is a strong economic supporter of the super hold hairspray business.

Trump has become President of the United States, the strongest and wealthiest country on the planet. The leader of the free world and all that jazz.

In comparison the OP has done the square root of fuck all.

He must have something about him FFS. But hey, it's a lot easier to throw arrows than actually be the person in the arena, whose face is marred by dust, sweat and blood. Who if she fails, at least she fails greatly so that her place will not be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

@disquieted ..... I don’t see Trump’s face smeared with dust sweat and blood

fame and power don’t equate to success in everyone’s book you know. So what if Trump is more famous and influential than OP, doesn’t mean he is a better person, or that the world is a better place for having him in it. Sure Trump will have a BIGGER impact on the world than the OP, but I bet you anything the OP will have a more positive impact on the world than Trump.

I'm still staggered at a feminist seeing the likely erosion of a women's right to choose as a price worth paying to avoid gender identity legislation.

I mean, I know trans right are a hot topic on this site but it feels like throwing the baby (that you didn't want) out with the bathwater...

Just watching Becoming with Michelle Obama and I am still in utter disbelief that Americans went from Barack Obama to Trump. Mind-blowing

@BlackKite
You didn't get the reference to the Teddy Roosevelt speech 'Citizen in a Republic' given at the Sorbonne.

Yup, 165 million women protected = the greater good. That girls will not lose scholarships, or will be able to change in single sex facilities is worth it. Like I said before action matters not empty platitudes and virtue signalling. Its the same reason so many Labour voters "lent" their vote to Boris in December, the left right now seem to be focused on excommunication of anyone that doesn't agree with their views, pushing them right into the arms of the Trump's and Boris's of the world. Oh and Trump's not homophobic his long time mentor was the gay lawyer Roy Cohn, he has been endorsed by the log cabin Republicans and of course there is the group Gays for Trump.
www.nytimes.com/2019/06/22/opinion/gay-lgbt-trump.html