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to not see any redeeming characteristics in Donald Trump?

220 replies

BlackKite · 08/05/2020 13:00

I have just finished a book "Very Stable Genius" by two reporters from the Washington Post, who have been covering Donald Trump's presidency. The picture that emerges from that book (and other things I have read) is of man of no redeeming characteristics. He is bad tempered, narcissistic, revels in his ignorance, is petty, and a bully to boot.

People who work with him (even those who share a conservative world view) seem to not be able to stand him because of his character as a human being.

AIBU to not see any redeeming characteristics in him? Are there any?

OP posts:
ginghamstarfish · 08/05/2020 13:44

He makes us laugh?

BlackKite · 08/05/2020 13:44

I think he has many. He's driven, He's confident

I think this comes down to the Golden Mean - he's a narcissist, so I suppose that classifies him as confident.

He wants the best for his country and won't accept anything less

I don't think he does - what he seems to want is what's best for him, and he will pretend to want what's best for the USA - his disdain for institutions, including the military really shines in this book.

He speaks his mind and doesn't beat around the bush- something I wish more politicians would do
He's happy to display his ignorance

I also think his handling of the coronavirus pandemic has been absolutely outstanding
But it's been terrible, surely?!?

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Hwyrynos · 08/05/2020 13:44

@Pinkyyy you’ve got to be kidding?! 🤣 Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jon Ung- pick your favourite despot... all certainly confident and driven!! Those are not ‘redeeming’ qualities 😂

And as for wanting the best for his country... ge wants the best for himself. End of.

Crowbarred · 08/05/2020 13:45

@Pinkyyy is such a joker. Or perhaps she skipped the press conference in which he suggested injecting yourself with disinfectant might be worth exploring as an anti-Covd-19 prophylactic.

BlackKite · 08/05/2020 13:45

You can't even say that he loves his children.

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DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 08/05/2020 13:45

He's not driven, he's idle: more golf than any other President. He's not confident, he's thin skinned and needy. He doesn't want what's best for his country, he steals from it.

He can't speak his mind at all, apart from a torrent of spite, ignorance and lies.

B1rdbra1n · 08/05/2020 13:46

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Pinkyyy · 08/05/2020 13:46

I'm not here to respond to multiple comments and I don't appreciate being ridiculed by you @Hwyrynos. The OP asked if there were any good qualities about him and I named some that I believe to be true. People don't have to agree with me but I'm not alone in my support for him or he wouldn't be president.

DadOnIce · 08/05/2020 13:46

Also, watch him here at the 2011 Correspondents' Dinner, where Obama takes the piss out of him. Most people in the public eye can take a little joshing, even the most pompous ones. Trump just sits there stony-faced. You can just tell he is seething with anger. The human thing to do would have been to pull the odd wry face, or do the occasional, 'yeah, you got me' gesture. But there's nothing.

Pinkyyy · 08/05/2020 13:47

Pinkyyy, did you go to school ... Just asking

How fucking rude. I went for a short time yes, what's that got to do with anything?

B1rdbra1n · 08/05/2020 13:47

Trump loves the poorly educated

Mintjulia · 08/05/2020 13:48

I can't see any. He's an arrogant money-grubbing prat. Ignorant, vulgar and sexist, it's hard to see anything good about him at all.

Hopefully the world will be rid of him within months. He can go back to running his horrid resorts while the next president sorts out Corona for the Americans.

TheMarzipanDildo · 08/05/2020 13:49

He is amusing I’ll give him that. Not on purpose though!

isabellerossignol · 08/05/2020 13:50

I don't think I've ever seen someone in the public domain who is quite so unlikeable. He even appears to hate people who are on his side. Although quite why anyone is on his side is baffling.

Pinkyyy · 08/05/2020 13:51

Trump loves the poorly educated

Wow that's just plain rude and disrespectful. Just because I didn't go to school for long, doesn't mean I'm uneducated. Clearly your education didn't earn you any manners. Funnily enough they don't teach politics in school last time I checked.

B1rdbra1n · 08/05/2020 13:52

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0
He loves them so much, where would he be without them❤️

Pinkyyy · 08/05/2020 13:54

@B1rdbra1n can you please explain exactly what you are gaining by calling me uneducated?

Namechangervaver · 08/05/2020 13:56

I also think his handling of the coronavirus pandemic has been absolutely outstanding.

Hahahaha, I thought you were serious until you jumped the shark there 😂

VeryQuaintIrene · 08/05/2020 14:00

I 100% blame his party for being such pathetic, spineless enablers. It would take very little get rid of him if even just a couple of them grew a backbone. Hope this will bite the republicans hard come November.

bellinisurge · 08/05/2020 14:03

He's mortal. That's about all I can think of that's redeeming.

iklboo · 08/05/2020 14:13

@Pinkyyy - genuine question - why did you only go to school for a short period? Am I remembering correctly that you're Roma? Apologies if not and I'm mixing you up with another poster.

Even if you didn't go to school for long it doesn't mean you're uneducated. We just have different opinions.

Pinkyyy · 08/05/2020 14:15

@3iklboo yes that's right I'm a gypsy, it's culturally normal for us not to do much schooling but it really annoys me that people think that that means I'm uneducated. Thank you, I agree, everyone is entitled to have an opinion no matter how educated they are.

MitziK · 08/05/2020 14:30

He wants the best for his country and won't accept anything less

If 'his' country is one with nobody black, Hispanic or of a mind to support others in times of need or ever disagree with him, you're probably right.

I don't know of him having opinions upon Travellers or Roma - I suspect that they would be unpleasant going by his Grandfather's attitudes that he seems to share regarding other ethnic groups, though.

marylou1977 · 08/05/2020 14:38

He only wants what is the best for him. He has been dragging his ass on testing, because he doesn’t want numbers to go up under his watch. I can’t imagine the USA with him in charge another four years. The response to the corona virus has been awful, with lots of cronyism, nepotism and play to pay, which has resulted in missed opportunities to try to stem the virus. I really, really hope karma is real.

ToPlanZ · 08/05/2020 15:13

He absolutely does not want what is best for America. Thats risible. He's systematically trying to dismantle their democracy and rebuild it in his own image. Even the new post master general is a donor stoodge. The less people that can vote by post, the more likely he is to be unfairly re-elected.

He completely disrespects half the population due to their gender. He disrespects another huge swathe due to their ethnicity. He has stoked up racial tensions in the US. He has constantly undermined other leaders and institutions like the WHO and NATO. Who can forget him physically pushing another politician on stage. Or indeed his refusal to condemn white supremacists when they murdered an unarmed protestor.

His tax breaks have enriched the wealthy still further whilst services like meals on wheels have been cut. He is trying to undo Obama care so the poor have almost zero access to health services. his record on protecting environmental standards is shocking not to mention him suggesting that Greta Thunberg (a child) is mentally ill because he has no concept of autism.

He had been impeached. If it wasnt for a partisan house he would doubtless have been found guilty of trying to meddle in another country's sovereign affairs.

He has used the presidency to enrich himself and his acolytes.

He has been accused of multiple sexual assaults including one of a 13 year old girl alongside Jeffrey Epstein.

He pretends to be a believer but is actually a serial adulterer.

Pretty much every statement he makes on Twitter is immediately followed up by someone posting an older tweet where he contradicts himself. So he's a hypocrite too.

He has sacked whistleblowers in government and the armed forces thereby reducing the likelihood that people will feel able to come forward in future, further consolidating his power base.

When it comes to corona virus he is the new Nero. He denied it was happening, he delayed, he said it would go away, he delayed, he played golf, he delayed. Now it has come home to roost its China's fault apparently. Despite that their numbers could be lower because they had the less infectious original strain not the current predominant more infectious one. He showed us all that he doesn't understand even the basics of medicine throughout the whole fiasco of his 'handling' or this crisis. People are dead, families have lost loved ones, futures have been flushed away because of this vain, pompous, power hungry dictator in waiting. He's so vain he undid the Obama era centres for research into pandemic prevention. He has even said that he was left with broken tests by the Obama administration. Covid19 didn't exist in the Obama era, but when questioned he just repeated the same statement.

He stopped shipments of equipment like masks going to places like Canada because apparently Americans deserve to die less than Canadians do, the wood used in the filters in the masks comes from Canada. Apparently that's patriotism and to be applauded. However when India refused to ship out medication as they wanted it for their own populace he threatened reprisals. Patriotism it seems is only for the USA. That's without even mentioning his attempt to aggressively procure vaccines from Germany for use exclusively in America.

He is an absolute disgrace in every sense of the word.

He also constantly refers to people he doesn't like on Twitter as dogs so he obviously doesn't like dogs either.

Final nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned .