Will black lives ever matter?

[RockLock]

So another killing of a black man Ahmaud Arbery by 2 white men (Father and son) in US. They nearly got away with it calling it a citizen arrest and self defence. Father was a retired policeman.

They followed him, armed with guns and shot him.

Prosecutors tried to cover it up until the video emerged.
Ahmaud’s crime? He was going for a jog.

Will black lives ever matter?

Annamaria14 do you have information regarding a new law we don't know about that legalises citizens chasing down and executing an UNARMED MAN whatever he may or may not have been doing? If you do then when did this law take effect? Do you have the details?

@DeeCeeCherry huh?

@DeeCeeCherry the issue is that people carry guns on them at all times in the USA. That is what the problem is.

But what can we do about gun laws and gun control from here?

For those saying gun controls are needed, yes that is true. Why are you also not addressing that racism control is needed. Is that because then you have to check your own privilege? Will it mean giving up some of your own privileges? Nah not doing that, if it means black people die, then so be it.

What makes a white person see an unarmed black person and become trigger happy?

We have seen this happen time and time again.

There were three of them , I bet even without guns they would've found a way to harm Ahmaud. Because that was their intent.

@rocklock well I don't think it is fair to say all white people are racist, for a start.

I have never been racist in my life.

"I am of the opinion that you can talk about what he was actually doing before the murder, and still think that the murder was wrong.

But on here , apparantly that is equal to agreeing that he should have been murdered.

Why what he was doing is a point of debste, is that the family said he was jogging, the shooter's family said that he was breaking into houses"

This is a thread about RACISM.
The facts of what he was actually doing in the run up to the murder are only relevant if they might mitigate the motive to shoot him.
As he was an unarmed man alone and not attacking or putting at risk the men who shot him or anyone else, what he was doing is quite simply irrelevant. So why discuss it? To make a point that somehow informs as to why white men armed with guns might shoot an unarmed black man?

Does it matter to you less that he might have been on a building site in an unauthorised capacity? Does that make his death ok to you? So why is it relevant to a discussion on racism?

sorry - does his death matter to you less...

Gun control is necessary yes.

But what would have equally saved his life in this situation is control of racism.

After all, lynching didn't used to take place with a gun.

You say you are not racist (I am not sure white people are the best judges of whether we are racist or not - we do our best not to behave or think in racist ways is the best we can offer, in truth) but you are incredibly naive about what contributes to racist stereotyping and prejudice. Such as the effect of emphasising irrelevant possibly-but-unproven unlawful activity.

It is exactly like victim blaming rape victims in this case.

His death is a tiny symbol of the millions of gun problems in the USA.

When the USA actually start to do something to regulate guns - that will be a worth while day

His death is an all-too common instance of the millions of racist issues in the USA.
When the USA actually start to do something to regulate racism, that will also be worth a day.

@YinMnBlue well I would call myself not racist in that -

I believe in everyone being equal.

And also by looking at my past actions.

• I have never, ever said a racial insult to anyone.
• I have comforted people, who were upset about being racially insulted.

So in as far as - I believe in equality, I have never racially abused some one, and I have hated seeing racism, and comforted people on the receiving end of it - I am not racist.

If I indirectly receive benefits for being white, which we all probably do, then I am racist.

But I try my best

I have nosed into many a house under construction - I did it again last week - and nobody has ever called the police or even challenged me, let alone hunted me down in an armed posse. But I'm neither male nor black and I don't live in a gun-obsessed country, so I'm still here to tell you about it. Ahmaud Arbery isn't. 😭

Imagine a woman was raped in broad daylight and someone commented on a thread about it "didn't it come to light that she was on her way home from a one night stand?"

Would you honestly not think that was implying that she was somehow less of a victim? Otherwise what is the relevance?

Honest question. Because I don't understand how you can't see that the comment implies some sort of culpability of the victim or mitigation of the perpetrators.

This was my original post to you @Annamaria14 - do you not see that your comment (which wasn't positioned as part of a debate, it was just a statement claiming he had been 'stealing stuff' that day, which hasn't even been confirmed by any news sources at all) was the equivalent of saying this on a thread regarding a rape?

@BackseatCookers nope.

Because I didn't say that he deserved to be killed, I just wanted to ascertain what actually happened

An unarmed black man was chased down by 3 men in trucks, at least two of them armed and shot dead.

That's what hapoened.

Fine

We have had this same argument round and round. I am bored. Bye

Good. What the hell is wrong with some people?

@C130 I have no idea.

People on this thread seem just seem to be shouting and showing off to feel good about themselves. They are just repeating themselves over and over. No one cares

Annamaria14 I was referring to yourself. Your ever so helpful updates are making me question your motives here.

@C130 I know that you were referring to myself.

Which is why I said, I feel exactly the same way..about you. And others on here.

What the hell is wrong with some people.

There is a lot of immaturity on here, and nastiness towards people.

I said everything to my friends, that I said on here, and they didn't say "oh my god, you wanted him killed!"

Because they are not immature fools. And they are not nasty people

It's fine @Annamaria14 everyone is perfectly entitled to their opinion.

I'm not "showing off", I was contributing with robust opinions to the debate you claim you aren't allowed to have without being accused of racism. Of course you are allowed to be part of the debate, everyone is.

People challenging you doesn't mean they're showing off. People are allowed to suggest you are displaying a underlying racist bias due to your contributions. We're all adults.

That you can't see the equivalence between the example I gave and the comment you made speaks volumes.

I'm choosing to believe your wide eyed naivety at being challenged is due to genuine naivety rather than you being disingenuous.

@Annamaria14

Because I didn't say that he deserved to be killed, I just wanted to ascertain what actually happened

Ok. So you’ve ascertained what happened, now what?