Will black lives ever matter?

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So another killing of a black man Ahmaud Arbery by 2 white men (Father and son) in US. They nearly got away with it calling it a citizen arrest and self defence. Father was a retired policeman.

They followed him, armed with guns and shot him.

Prosecutors tried to cover it up until the video emerged.
Ahmaud’s crime? He was going for a jog.

Will black lives ever matter?

Hasn't it now come to light that he had been breaking in and stealing stuff - and WASN'T jogging?

No it hasn't.

Ahmaud did not take anything from the construction site. He did not cause any damage to the property," the attorneys said. "He remained for a brief period of time and was not instructed by anyone to leave but rather left on his own accord to continue his jog. Ahmaud’s actions at this empty home under construction were in no way a felony under Georgia law."

So nope

Hasn't it now come to light that he had been breaking in and stealing stuff - and WASN'T jogging?

Fuck-in-hell.

redwoodmazza

Can you link to a credible source for that?

And if you can, (which I doubt very much, given the LAWYER quoted by LetsGoFlyAKite above) can you explain why you think that the appropriate or legal response of a citizen to such an action is to arm themselves with guns, hunt down the suspect, overtake them on the road, wait for them to overtake and then ambush them from behind and shoot them dead? Without alerting the police?

If you can't link to a credible source, why do you think it is acceptable to contribute to a thread about racism with an unsubstantiated report that contributes to victim blaming of a dead black person?

Hasn't it now come to light that he had been breaking in and stealing stuff - and WASN'T jogging?

Scrambled, dense mindsets abound with made up nonsense.

But yeah anyway - someone breaking into a property would justify no arrest no trial no jury no sentencing - no due justice process - simply execution in the street - As long as they're black, that is. It seems.

It's obvious some people just read headlines and then went "AHA! I knew it" and think it justifies their racism ,prejudice and vileness.

Hasn't it now come to light that he had been breaking in and stealing stuff - and WASN'T jogging?

Another one waiting for @redwoodmazza to cite credible sources and also explain (even though it's not the case in this case) how someone having robbed an abandoned home would in any way be a reason for them to be followed, accosted and shot to death by a civilian?

I'm all ears, please do go on.

@BackseatCookers but where did @redwoodmazza say he should be shot to death.

Note: she didn't say it anywhere.

What a sensational leap

It is an absolute case in point as to how racism and prejudice are perpetuated through sensationalist press and apologist racist editors.

My Mum once 'collected' 3 roof tiles from a derelict, collapsed, abandoned shed that was a pile of rubble, covered in weeds and litter..... should she have been shot to ribbons in the road?

Did you see this in the news: it says that the elder man of the duo, previously convicted Ahmaud Arbery for something, when he was a policeman.

Strange case.

"One of the men accused in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous prosecution of Arbery"

YANBU- horrible and just barbaric.

@redwoodmazza Really? So he deserved to be hunted and shot? These comments make me sick.
Do you openly tell people you are racist or just document it on anonymous forums?

I would impose much stricter gun control in the USA. We are very lucky in the UK that most people don't carry guns.

@Annamaria14

Imagine a woman was raped in broad daylight and someone commented on a thread about it "didn't it come to light that she was on her way home from a one night stand?"

Would you honestly not think that was implying that she was somehow less of a victim? Otherwise what is the relevance?

Honest question. Because I don't understand how you can't see that the comment implies some sort of culpability of the victim or mitigation of the perpetrators.

@BackseatCookers I disagree.

I think that we can debate what happened in the lead up to this.

And yet still absolutely and totally think that it was wrong to kill him.

@Annamaria14 yes we've seen the news. I've read about it yesterday. What you don't seem to understand is that it's irrelevant.

It doesn't change the outcome.
It doesn't change the fact that it is murder.

And most importantly it doesn't change their intent... which was to harm.

I don't know.

I am of the opinion that you can talk about what he was actually doing before the murder, and still think that the murder was wrong.

But on here , apparantly that is equal to agreeing that he should have been murdered.

Why what he was doing is a point of debste, is that the family said he was jogging, the shooter's family said that he was breaking into houses.

It is important to know what happened in this case, and in every case.

I don't know why - gathering facts about what happened = we believe he should have been killed. It doesn't

@Annamaria14 can you please provide a link to a reputable source that confirms Ahmaud had previous convictions.

Also, please explain what the fuck that would have to do with this situation.

*debate

@gabbynorthernbird he did have previous convictions. Fact. Look it up

@Annamaria14 who has more to gain by lying?

The dead man's family or the killer's family?

Also don't forget the surveillance video doesn't show him breaking in anywhere or stealing anything.

For a few minutes he was on the premises of a house under construction, which he left without taking anything. He's in tshirt,shorts and bare handed. The house didn't show any signs it was burglarised according to the police.

What this case does show, yet again, is that their needs to be gun control in the States.

But how do we get that to happen? How do you get a large country, with huge numbers of people, to agree on it

So now the first DA is trying to blame the police for not making the arrest, whilst the second DA laid the following charges before recusing himself: (taken from CNN)

In stepping down, he laid out a defense of the McMichaels, saying: 1) the father and son had "solid first-hand probable cause" as civilians to detain Arbery; 2) they apparently sought only to "stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived"; 3) Arbery's "mental health records and prior convictions" explain his alleged aggression; 4) "McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself"; and 5) Arbery may have shot himself while fighting for the shotgun.

Now I am no lawyer, but There is so much wrong with this defence that even I can tear each and every one of those arguments apart, so why did all these white law enforcement guys think their actions and version of events were justifiable in any shape or form? They knew they were going to get away with it. They all colluded and tried to dismiss the brutal murder and make it go away. I am surprised the DA didn’t just say whites are goodies and blacks are baddies.

The owner of the unfinished home, who was 90 miles away at the time of the shooting, later said "I've never had a police report (on my property), or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery."

There were two calls to 9-1-11* made minutes before Arbery's death. Neither call alleged a crime committed by Arbery.[49] The transcript of the calls were provided to The Brunswick Newss*, with the callers' identities redacted.[49]
In the first call to 9-1-1, a male caller said another man was in a house that was "under construction". The 9-1-1 dispatcher asked if the man was "breaking into it right now?" The caller replied: "No ... it's all open." After the caller said the man was now "running down the street", the dispatcher said police would respond. The dispatcher then asked at 1:08 p.m.: "I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be?" The caller replied in a garbled manner: "And he's been caught on camera a bunch at night. It's kind of an ongoing thing." The caller identified the man as a "black guy, white T-shirt".[49]