To be English and think Nicols Sturgeon would be a better PM

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Just that really, I live in England but would quite happily vote for NS to be PM if given the choice over BJ. To me she seems much more trustworthy and has shown better leadership.

YNBU! Nothing else to add really

Sorry @Jellycatspyjamas I disagree. I think girls being able to wear makeup etc puts pressure on them to make an effort. They get enough of that through the media. Having a strict uniform policy is a leveller. I'm so glad my dcs go to a school that shares my values.

I'm Scottish, live in Scotland, have 4 kids in the Scottish state system and am a unionist. She is the best leader I've seen in my lifetime (incidentally I also agree that independence is very low on her agenda at the moment and has been for a while).
Politics is so polarised these days - I find it astonishing when I come on a thread like this and see people's attitudes towards her. Everyone I know thinks she has done a brilliant job. That's what an echo chamber does I suppose 🤷‍♂️.

I think she's great - a true leader. Just wish her party was different.

We moved from England to Scotland when DD was 11 and she was around 18 months ahead in maths. She was ahead in English too. As has been said, there's a lot of emphasis on children achieving the same at school, rather than all of them reaching their potential. DD's school won't allow any setting.

I like the relaxed attitude towards uniform though.

NS has been somewhat good for Scotland up to a point, the point being Indy. I do find it daft though, English people not getting that she doesn’t want to be PM of the UK.

All this is really saying is that she gives the impression of competence and few Westminster politicians do at the moment.

Her domestic record is mixed, there are clearly some issues in education and the nhs.

On another point, I just don’t recognise the idea that Scotland is a horrible place to be in the wake of Indyref. I voted Yes but some friends and family voted No and we’ve never fallen out over it or felt irreparably torn apart.

Same in my group of friends and family, we'were a mix of yes and no throughout. No falling out, just an acceptance that we all come at the prospect with different feelings.

I am in England and have no Scottish heritage. I think she is brilliant and a great leader. I don't think half of the criticism she receives would be given out to a man who did exactly as she does. I would quite like her to be the British leader, so it's a shame she doesn't like the majority of us for being English. I think it would be a shame if Scotland split, but ultimately their decision, not mine.

@DennisTMenace where has she said she doesn't like English people. I guess you have facts to back this up?

@Auntlouisa my son has a cousin in England who exact same age and is off to high school this year . My son is going into p7 and won't go to high school till 2021. Even though they are born in the same year and month. So effectively his English cousin has been at school a year longer as he started at 4 . While my son started at 5 the next year so was at nursery for an extra year. Could that explain such a difference ?

so it's a shame she doesn't like the majority of us for being English.

People keep saying sh*t like that but no one ever comes up with any instances. The Indy movement (on the whole - there are nutters in every walk of life) doesn't hate the English. We just want you all to have a great time. Please. Be happy. We just want your fecking politicians to stop telling us what we can and can't do.

No. She had had the same number of years at school as the rest of her class. The Scottish children had covered a lot less work. And the first 3 years at secondary were very relaxed, while her friends in England were working harder. The expectations in Scotland were low.

There's some excellent gossip about her doing the rounds. Hopefully the story will break soon.

And fuck no, I wouldn't want her. She's horrendous.

I know of no parents in Scotland who see the educated system as a “wreckage”

Funny how the SNP have decided to delay the review of education until after the next election... Also not heard about the review of ASN education which was to have been published over a month ago. But we know they pull out of Pisa testing after they showed results dropping and higher results are dropping too.

I agree. Was saying same thing earlier.

Well I'm in Scotland and the education system is a total disaster. I have been working from home and teaching my two through the lockdown. They are learning more at home than they do at school.
Sturgeon doesn't think about what benefits the Scottish people, if she did she would reject Independence because there is absolutely no economic case for it.
Unfortunately we lack decent opposition (from any political party) and proper scrutiny from the media.

I can never get on board with the shirt/tie aspect of school uniform. It's not ever going to be the work style for most people, especially girls. It has no function other than to be uncomfortable and to subjugate those who are forced to wear it. I would have preferred to sit in a class in comfortable clothes and choose to wear very different clothing now, even to work.

The one school I know that didn’t have a uniform the pupils repeatedly campaigned for one but the head teacher wouldn’t allow it. Finally when the head teacher changed they held a vote which was overwhelmingly in favour of uniform. The teens wanted to be able to identify with their school, they wanted to feel smart, they wanted to avoid the pressure and cost of following fashion, they wanted to be able to focus on school work not clothes.

Scotland has the worse death rate in the U.K. but yeah, she’s doing a great job...

I dont really feel qualified to comment as I don't know much about her but am going to anyway

What has struck me in this great debate about who is the better leader though is that Scotland, whilst apparently having strong nd clear leadership have been much slower to get their R number down. Surely if the leadership was so strong, people would follow the advice and the number would have come down sooner?

But we were slower to get the virus too (no cases up here while we heard of lots of cases down south) so won't that be related too? We won't peak at the same time if we didn't start at the same time.

No, as Chris Whitty explained very clearly as lockdown happened everywhere at the same time, the peak is an artificial one that won't be affected by when the first cases appeared. In the rest of UK, it arrived at very different times in different areas too.

Oh I see. What do you think the reason is then?

The only explanation is that the Scots haven't been as good at stopping the spread. So whilst the rhetoric may have been strong, the people haven't done it. Possibly not helped by the actions of the Medical Officer early on, but NS hardly covered herself in glory in her management of that one, in the way she tried to keep her in post.

ANYONE would be a better PM than Johnson. He’s a lightweight selfish careerist nonentity. Just out for himself and his inbred sense that he has a right to rule.