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To be English and think Nicols Sturgeon would be a better PM

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Lifejacket · 07/05/2020 13:34

Just that really, I live in England but would quite happily vote for NS to be PM if given the choice over BJ. To me she seems much more trustworthy and has shown better leadership.

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TanginaBarrons · 18/05/2020 09:27

I didn't vote for sturgeon, I was anti independence and used to be no big supporter of the snp.

I have dealt with councillors, msps and mps now on several campaigns and the snp ones have been absolutely excellent. Responsive, open to meeting me at my request, engaging with the issues, following up and chasing, showing empathy and just generally proactive, nice people. I even had a reply to my email, 30 mins after sending, at about 10pm last night (Sunday). Totally different to my experiences with other parties and contradicting the naysayers who say they are totally single issue. No party is perfect but to me they stand for fairness and equality. I think NS has been excellent throughout this.

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Lovely1a2b3c · 12/05/2020 23:54

Definitely agree OP. I'd feel much more confident if I was living in Scotland.

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SpanishFly · 12/05/2020 23:45

I think the Nike conference is a difficult one, largely fuelled by hindsight. Yes some countries were starting to lockdown but this was very early on in the UK timeline, so it wasnt necessarily logical to throw all the eggs in one basket at this point.
There are very few things that NS has done wrong, so I feel a little bit like this is something to pounce on to hold her to account to something. It is only after seeing how things unfolded that we can say this particular issue could have been dealt with differently.

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Hueandcry · 12/05/2020 20:48

Fair enough, I did say 'as far as I am aware'

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Aesopfable · 12/05/2020 19:37

Delegates attending another event at the venue who mixed with the Nike delegates have confirmed they were not contacted

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Hueandcry · 12/05/2020 18:20

Contact tracing was done as far as I am aware

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Aesopfable · 12/05/2020 17:47

Assuming all delegates showing symptoms were tested & self-isolated what good would putting that information out to the general public have done?

If we are having grown up conversations then we should be told all relevant facts.

As far as what good would it have done? Well other people tending different events at the same venue who mixed with the Nike ones could also have self isolated if they knew about it (they didn’t)

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Hueandcry · 12/05/2020 17:43

As a Scottish person, I'm entitled to have an opinion about the country I come from. Is that the best you can do?

No need to be rude Hmm

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MissEliza · 12/05/2020 16:50

As a Scottish person, I'm entitled to have an opinion about the country I come from. Is that the best you can do?
Putting the information in the public domain would inform people who may potentially came into contact with delegates. Moreover, it would be rational to infer that the venue wasn't subject to a deep clean as that would have been noticed. Meanwhile, at almost the same time, in my local town, a woman tested positive after returning from England. Public Health England announced it publicly, whilst keeping her identity private. (Unfortunately people figured it out). The four places of work she had visited were deep cleaned and staff there told to self isolate. Public Health England also liased with heads at her children's schools, who then informed parents. That was for one person in a small town.

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Hueandcry · 12/05/2020 16:26

@MissEliza for someone who doesnt live here you're awfully interested in what's going on here. I struggle to see what difference it would have made to publish info on the Nike event. Assuming all delegates showing symptoms were tested & self-isolated what good would putting that information out to the general public have done?

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MissEliza · 12/05/2020 15:34

The Daily Record has a story that a number of delegates attending an event at a hotel in Edinburgh at the end of February contracted Coronavirus. The Scottish Government decided not to inform the public. I'm struggling to understand why.

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TheSandman · 12/05/2020 14:25

Scotland is going to introduce similar back to school measures, just later

This may partially be due to our School year being different to that of England's and varies from region to region within - in Highland region where I am Schools break for the summer on 3rd July. Many Scottish School would have been shut for a week before that already.

Scottish Summer Holidays generally start two to three weeks before English and Welsh. And back sooner too.

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potterspotter · 12/05/2020 13:25

I can’t see a huge difference - Scotland is going to introduce similar back to school measures, just later but ordinarily before a vaccine.

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TheSandman · 12/05/2020 00:38

I just saw this on Twitter.

What was your point here?

Are you saying asking people for ideas on how to deal with the day to day necessities of life in extraordinary circumstances is a bad thing?

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Whitestick · 11/05/2020 22:42

As a teacher I feel a lot safer in Scotland than in England just now. I do hope it will be less of a shit storm than it looks so far.

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MissEliza · 11/05/2020 20:20

I just saw this on Twitter.

To be English and think Nicols Sturgeon would be a better PM
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MissEliza · 11/05/2020 19:11

@TheSandman GrinGrinGrin

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MissEliza · 11/05/2020 19:10

@potterspotter and @Aesopfable lots of excellent points.

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TheSandman · 11/05/2020 19:10

hat has Boris done personally to help the U.K.?

Apart from trying to single-handedly repopulate it?

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potterspotter · 11/05/2020 18:46

And what has she done now? Nothing positive she’s merely rejected any measures except increasing exercise amounts, I can’t see how it’s so superior - I can see her delivery is clearer but as devolved govts are in charge of less, I’d expect their message to be smoother.

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Aesopfable · 11/05/2020 17:58

Well she didn’t close schools until Boris announced it (said it was her ‘planning assumption’ the day before), she didn’t increase testing or include as many people in the current testing regime as BJ, she didn’t manage to get a good enough supply of PPE, she hasn’t ensured children with ASN can still attend schools as they can in England (those with EHCPs), it took her weeks longer to come up with a list of vulnerable people so they could get priority delivery slots, it took weeks longer to get food boxes in place, it took weeks longer to set up official volunteer schemes, when the UK government clarified that people with medical need could go out more than once a day to comply with Equality laws it took another week to have that recorded in Scotland meaning people were sent home by the police who shouldn’t have been, she didn’t set up a scientific advisory group until after lockdown.

She did, however, complain that Public a Health England were not passing their stockpiled PPE to Scotland.

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MissEliza · 11/05/2020 17:28

I mean what decisions has she made which you think have particularly helpful. I'm aware not living in Scotland, I don't hear everything being done in Scotland.

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Bleepbloopblarp · 11/05/2020 17:26

Sturgeon for PM? Now that’s the stuff of nightmares!

I’ve only just got over the terror of Corbyn having a shot at it..

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rwalker · 11/05/2020 17:17

No I'm not for independence but and the plus side they get to keep her.

The vote was won to not separate but she ignores what her people voted for and rail roads her own agenda

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Jellycatspyjamas · 11/05/2020 17:13

In fairness it’s her job to put words around the science and the approach being taken here and she’s doing that well. I’m not sure what you mean by what she’s done personally? I very much doubt she has time to be delivering shopping or sewing scrubs or whatever other virtue signalling activities folk involve themselves in.

She’s open and honest about her sense of personal responsibility for her decision making in this and the potential impact on the lives of people if she gets it wrong. Which is more than I’m seeing in any of the stream of people fronting Westminster.

What has Boris done personally to help the U.K.?

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