To think Nicola Sturgeon is deluded

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... if she thinks that people who want to exercise twice a day aren’t already exercising twice a day.

And that if Boris eases lockdown restrictions on Sunday that the whole of Scotland is going to accept being trapped at home for another three weeks?

And that the shops and takeaways and other businesses that are already opening up are going to suddenly revert back to a strict lockdown?

And that the “economy can recover”?

Really?

This is a crazy agenda.

I trust her more than I trust BJ.

@sweetkitty they aren’t dispensable but they are protectable.

The rest of us have long lives to live in poverty and despair if things keep on going like this.

It’s time to balance the lives lost to COVID with the lives, and livelihoods, lost to lockdown.

This is such a crass thing yo say. The virus actually kills people. Yes, lockdown is hard but it's not a death sentence. Losing jobs is hard, but it's not a mass health crisis. The economy can recover over time, people can't get their loved ones back.

I don’t think Boris saying restrictions will be eased means what you think it does. It’s not going to be a case of everyone in Scotland is trapped indoors, while everyone else flocks to the open pubs.

Exactly. "Easing" most likely means less limits on exercise and being able to sit in the park with a picnic.

If people are flouting the advice it is reflective on them not NS.

She's a lot more credible than the fucking Tories.

I’m in wales although I haven’t seen twitter like a PP. I think the devolved governments are in a tricky spot because we are behind the curve. Hopefully we aren’t going to suffer the same number of deaths as England sadly has, BUT the second Boris lifts restrictions, people will flock to Scotland/wales and then we might see our own health systems overwhelmed.

Wales currently has slightly stricter lockdown rules than England, and I can’t see our first minister being happy about a lifting of lockdown at all. Despite being someone that works in tourism, with a DP who runs his own tourism business, living in a village that survives on tourism, lifting it would probably bring higher death rates to our little corner.

I hope our welsh government has the stones to stand up and do the right things despite Boris Johnson. I admire Nicola sturgeon.

The info she has behind her is the same as Boris et al, she just has the benefit of an earlier time slot for her speech. She can preempt some of what will be said later, which some will take as her leading by example.

@MouthBreathingRage are you for real? Losing jobs and crashing the economy is just a wee blip in the world is it? How naive.

Who is paying for the furlough and UC and NHS and the schools when there are millions more claiming and not paying tax? Please tell me, interested how you justify this?

From my usual walk yesterday, you would have thought lockdown had already ended. In Scitland and yes it was a lovely night, but weve had plenty of lovely nights and nit seen a soul on our walk. Yesterday was like a normal spring evening on my street, kids playing, neighbours chatting And way more cars out and about than in previous evenings.

I hope our welsh government has the stones to stand up and do the right things despite Boris Johnson.

The Welsh government took the initiative to close schools before England, and they have been tough on tourist trying to sneak in for their jollies. I trust them to make the right choices for Wales, even if it means going against Westminster.

I'm Scottish, but I think NS is being very sensible. Lockdown is going to have to be repealed slowly. So far, the Irish PM has said that, now the Scottish FM has. I expect Boris will say similar.

Yeah you can't really say lockdown is not a death sentence. It will be for a lot of people. There really needs to be a balance against this 'covid above all else' thinking.

I posted this on another thread in Scotsnet:

Now, can someone with more brains than me explain the following?:

We are being told that we are behind the infection curve as obviously we had our first case later so would expect that we are also about 2 weeks behind in terms of the infections. Makes sense right?

However, we started lock down at the same time when we presumably had less folk infected and have a generally less dense population.

So, surely we should never have reached the same levels of infection (though maybe the delay in showing symptoms accounts for some of that) as we started the distancing earlier?

So the 2 weeks behind should not really apply or certainly be reduced?

Or have we just not been as good at the lock down as people think and people in rUK did it better?

@MouthBreathingRage there were 260.000 excess deaths worldwide from the recession in 2008. This one is predicted (by the Bank of England today) to be the worst recession for 300 years.

Keeping a lockdown going indefinitely is not going to save lives and may cost more than the virus.

Losing jobs and crashing the economy is just a wee blip in the world is it?

In the grand scheme of things, yes. No one seemed to care for an economic crash when they voted for Brexit, 'we can cope they all said. Well, now the economy is fucked and people like yourself are acting like it's the end of the world. No, it's shit but not shit we as a country haven't survived before. The virus on the other hand, thinking we can control that and get on with our lives - that's bloody naive. The virus is death, nothing is more final than that.

I think NS is wonderful, but irrespective of when lockdown is lifted, there is no vaccine, no treatment and some will become very sick or die. What’s another 3 weeks, or six weeks going to do. It’s just delaying the inevitable.

Most folk in my street whilst more or less following he guidance, are out for exercise more than once a day. Kids seem to be out constantly in the street (not strictly together but i'd say not strictly apart either) Adults out 2 or 3 times, going out with kids and then going on their own. Taking pets out for a walk and then going with kids, then going alone.

I'm not saying they are increasing the spread, but they are not sticking to once out for exercise.

I’ve seen a lot of people on Facebook saying ‘I’ll follow the uk PM’s instructions as we are British!’ Yes we are but health is devolved and you are in Scotland ffs you have to follow the Scottish Governments rules on this!

"The Welsh government took the initiative to close schools before England, "

Pretty sure all schools closed at the same time?

"and they have been tough on tourist trying to sneak in for their jollies."

They havent really, they made sure the press told everyone they were stopping people at borders and sending them back, but they only did this for a day then buggered off. They have since said they have no jurisdiction on this and arent pseudo bailiffs, in that once people are in their second home, they are "home" and the police cant do anything about it.

We are all paying for the bloody furlough not just you. I would also trust nicola sturgeon and even mark drakeford more than boris. Trying to save lives is admirable, lying through your teeth is not. Talking about the UK as a strong union whilst prioritising England is a joke.

I am Welsh by the way so feel able to criticise Senedd Cymru.

I don’t think she’s deluded. Everyone is now (mostly) observing social distancing when out and about exercising, so letting people go out exercising twice if you want to isn’t causing much more of a risk IMO, but could substantially improve wellbeing. I’m quite happy to sit in for another three weeks and see what happens in England, quite happy for them to be guinea pigs for what happens next. DH works for an English company and they’ve all been told that regardless of what’s announced, they are all to stay on lockdown working for at least four more weeks.

I'm glad someone mentioned brexit. Bit late to be worrying about economic fallout now.

there were 260.000 excess deaths worldwide from the recession in 2008.

That is the same number of worldwide deaths as there's been from Covid in a few weeks. That's with lockdown and probably an underestimated number at that. The number in the next year or so, especially lifting lockdown could be past the million mark at least. No recession could kill so many people so quickly.

Nobody is trapped though, are they? You can go outside for exercise, shopping and medication, even order takeaways. If you have access to a garden you can use that, too.

Unless you actually have Covid symptoms you aren't trapped.

I don't see what benefit it would be for the Scottish gvt. to stretch this out for any longer than it has to be unless it was to continue limiting the spread of the disease.

It has nothing to do with point scoring - she is taking a cautious and measured approach which is far more sensible than what the eejits in Westminster have done.