Meghan Markle story time

[Mummylovesbags]

Posting here for the traffic and so this is read by a diverse pool of people - not just royal fans...

I really like Meghan Markle and I admire her for carving her own way and being a feminist in her choices. I like that she waited after the birth for photos and spoke up about the metoo movement etc.

As much as I like Duchess of Cambridge, I don’t think she does anything to advance women. She seems to do what is expected of her which people love but which I find awful. She has a responsibility as a role model for young women but yet Seems to be the perfect, painfully thin, upper class wife that does as she is told, rarely speaks and is every sexist, wealthy, white man’s dream.

I’m a little lost as to why people seem to be pro Kate and anti Meghan. Is it because Kate is what all middle class women aspire to be in England. Doing as one is told ? Being a softly spoken English lady that wears tweed and frolics in the country while her husband is on a boys ski trip etc etc

Have we all forgot about feminism ?

Keeping the BOAT steady^ (not body).

@MouthBreathingRage but why is it assumed if people aren’t keen on Meghan that they are racist?
I’m not keen on Sarah Ferguson and Andrew either, am I ”Gingerist”?
I think it’s more racist to assume that people don’t like someone because of their skin colour without evidence of that. It’s ok to not like a celebrity or a person you know in real life for a whole multitude of reasons.

I personally don’t like the way Meghan has behaved, I‘m not keen on the way she’s conducted herself in public.
I dislike many people in the public eye for the way they behave, of all different races, classes and cultures.

It’s annoying everyone constantly makes this about race.

I don't want gold digging divas standing up for me thanks.

but why is it assumed if people aren’t keen on Meghan that they are racist?

Because she is pulled up on the most ridiculous things on completely baseless opinions. Along with being given much abuse for things Kate did exactly the same way, but the latter was fawned over instead of berated.

I was enough of a mix to tick all of the boxes of my ex Dp mum as not being suitable for her son. I should also add that on top of everything else she didn’t like, or consider appropriate, I was fat. I only needed ti have a child by another man and I would have been able to call house. Thank heavens I could never carry to full term or else I wouldn’t have got through the door.

It was that much of a bother to her, the poison eventually won. Although i concede it was a DP problem too.

I don’t think anyone has ever called me racist or anything else mouth - on here or in life.

What I don’t like is it automatically being assumed to be a race or class issue when it ain’t necessarily so. And for sweeping statements to accuse anyone who has a differing opinion of being hateful.

Sod that.

Mummylovesbags

If you really want to know why people don't discuss this its because you have already made clear that this

I think people bash Meghan Markle because they’re racist and classist and prejudice and it’s as simple as that.

Is your view, and there is nothing that will change your mind.

So what is the point?

This link shows how the media had painted Meghan as the bad guy doing exactly as Kate. Oh, but it’s completely one’s ‘own unbiased opinion’ why they don’t like her.

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

YgritteSnow This thread will be gone shortly.

Nah, MNHQ seem to allow threads about MM to run even though they always end in a bun fight and thinly veiled racism.

@AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff

That’s the thing that’s so funny. I am like 99.9% certain that both Meghan and Kate would be sw3 mums. They would only befriend other sw3 mums that were thin and did Pilates and dressed like them. Us normal mums would be patronised or looked over. I think you're absolutely right

I don't want gold digging divas standing up for me thanks

Many people don't care about feminism to be able to forget about it, they just never thought about it except to say that gender inequality is made up.

Because the Queen is head of state they just point at her to say things are fair because she's female.

Yes many men and women think that women should keep quiet, so a non threatening quiet, attractive (I guess!) rich woman is definitely benign.

An American woman with a voice is usually seen as threatening, they don't get much airtime here. Yes there is the race thing too.

I don't get it would either but then I'm a mixed race republican feminist.

@Mummylovesbags

I don’t think Kate is spending her down time with any friends from Manchester. I mean behind closed doors they would be fiercely snobby.

How mixed is your 'mother's group'? All stratas of society there? How mixed is your friendship group? (I'm talking class, not race)

Harry and Meghan were usually behind royal members who were further behind the throne than they were
Are you really as stupid as that?

Thank you @ArriettyJones ✨

I didn’t look back. Freedom from that was a blessing.

I bet you didn’t awright. I’m glad things are better now.

Kate appears to have hidden her true personality quite successfully in her public role. She was given loads of shit by the media for years and years, and never hit back. She seems to have an iron will and part of me admires her for that. I think she has fulfilled her role - which is extremely narrow - well so far. She has stuck it out and is succeeding.

Meghan has been unable to handle press and public criticism. She’s also had a huge amount thrown at her, some of it racist. I think she has suffered due to not having much in the way of family to support her - a bit like Princess Diana. It must be incredibly hard dealing with that on your own. However, she and Harry have behaved with ingratitude, petulance and immaturity, they have pretty much insulted the Queen and Prince Philip, and now they have run away - not to somewhere private, for a quiet life, but to LA for heaven’s sake, and continue putting out irrelevant and self-serving statements. It’s pretty tasteless.

I don’t care hugely about either Kate or Meghan really, but I think if you are a member of the RF having respect for the Queen is a pretty low standard to meet and from what I observe Meghan has not met it. Harry seems to me to have behaved disgracefully.

I think we are all entitled to make judgments on people’s character based on their behaviour.

@MouthBreathingRage I agree that Kate is guilty of a lot of Meghan's 'crimes' (being accused of deliberately snaring a prince, spending a fortune on house renovations and clothes, being lazy or only selecting engagements that are glittery/enjoyable). And I do agree that only Kate has excuses made for her while Meghan gets all the criticism. But that doesn't mean Meghan isn't at fault. I think her behaviour grates on the public more than Kate's for several reasons:

1. She is hypocritical. Claiming to be a feminist and humanitarian while giving up her career to marry a Prince and live off the tax money of a country she has never even worked in. Claiming to be an environmentalist whilst hopping on private jets for unnecessary journeys.
2. She seems completely disinterested in getting to know the UK, focussing instead on mingling with A-list Hollywood 'stars' and living in luxury. The million dollar baby shower (another private jet), spending hundreds of thousands on couture, attending film awards and fawning over celebrities that wouldn't have given her the time of day before. She has done very few 'boring' engagements like visiting hospitals etc, it has all been about fashion, editing Vogue, film premieres and theatre.
3. Her obsession with 'privacy' has come across as an attention seeking power play, withholding information that isn't even personal e.g. Archies godparents. It is seen as a snub to the public that fund her lifestyle.

I think Kate is quite dull and workshy but she has fulfilled the basics of what the royalists want, keeps to tradition and isn't ostentatious in the way Meghan is.

However, she and Harry have behaved with ingratitude, petulance and immaturity, they have pretty much insulted the Queen and Prince Philip, and now they have run away - not to somewhere private, for a quiet life, but to LA for heaven’s sake, and continue putting out irrelevant and self-serving statements. It’s pretty tasteless.

Can you please explain to me exactly what they've done to show ingratitude, petulance, immaturity and to insult the Queen?

From what I see, the press went after Meghan, Harry defended her while the RF kept quiet and then Harry decided to leave (from his previous comments, that doesn't seem like something he was forced into).

@niteflights completely agree with the family
comments. It is not just that Meghan does not have family support but a family that she needs to both protect and shield herself from from too.

I think what I find most upsetting about this is that I see myself in Meghan. I had a really dysfunctional family and upbringing. I didn’t have a big wedding and eloped because my family don’t get along with each other. It was pretty much guaranteed that there would be an outburst. My in-laws could not understand why I wouldn’t want to take the risk and have a big ceremony. They thought I was ashamed of my family. I just new my happiness would be overshadowed and that it would be a massive outburst from
One family Member. I knew that not inviting some people that didn’t get along with others would cause offence and hurt. It was such an awful drama that eloping was the best option. I can definitely see how someone ends up with one relative at their wedding. You can’t understand how problematic up some families are until you’re part of them.

I really feel sorry for Meghan in many respects.

It also makes me wonder what exactly went down behind closed doors for Meghan and Harry to react the way they did.

I’ll never forget the video of William pretending to fix his scarf to snub Meghan’s
Attempts to talk to him. I imagine within the RF it is so cold and political and that a lot of things must have gone down for them to react that way. They basically renounced their titles and left the country so you can’t tell me that There wasn’t some serious stuff that stuff that went down....

It's been said over and over that she goes by her given name, which is Catherine, but it's okay to keep calling her 'Kate' but not to say anything about Meghan. LOL @ at the idea the latter is a feminist.

1. She is hypocritical. Claiming to be a feminist and humanitarian while giving up her career to marry a Prince and live off the tax money of a country she has never even worked in. Claiming to be an environmentalist whilst hopping on private jets for unnecessary journeys.

Se gave up her job = bad feminist/living off tax money. (and when did being a SAHM mother mean you weren't a feminist?). She now wants to work and has done a voice over for a movie = using the RF for fame. Is she to work or not?

2. She seems completely disinterested in getting to know the UK, focussing instead on mingling with A-list Hollywood 'stars' and living in luxury. The million dollar baby shower (another private jet), spending hundreds of thousands on couture, attending film awards and fawning over celebrities that wouldn't have given her the time of day before. She has done very few 'boring' engagements like visiting hospitals etc, it has all been about fashion, editing Vogue, film premieres and theatre.

What has Harry done to get to know the US? Or is his family/country more important than hers? By 'mingling with A-List Hollywood' do you mean not dumping her friends when she got married? Have you seen how much the rest of the women in the RF spend on clothes?

3. Her obsession with 'privacy' has come across as an attention seeking power play, withholding information that isn't even personal e.g. Archies godparents. It is seen as a snub to the public that fund her lifestyle.

It's nobodys business but theirs. Just because of Harry's accident of birth, the public have no right to know everything about their baby.

They're not being paid by tax payers money now so everyone can stop moaning.

Sexism in the Royal Family? Isn't the Queen a woman? I seem to remember something about a Elizabeth I and a Victoria too.

However, she and Harry have behaved with ingratitude, petulance and immaturity, they have pretty much insulted the Queen and Prince Philip, and now they have run away - not to somewhere private, for a quiet life, but to LA for heaven’s sake

Another one who believes everything the media has spun about her/them.

How has she been ungrateful and what for? Petulance and immaturity? Do you have examples?

I think Meghan has had a complex life and her father is mentally ill. I think he was grossly manipulated by the press, to the detriment of his daughter. The press wanted to create a rift in the royal family as it gives us all something to gossip and speculate over.

If she stayed here the vitriolIf hate campaign against her would eventually spread to their son as well. Some of the comments I've seen about him and how he looks are frankly disgusting.

I think they've done the right thing by getting the hell out of here tbh.

They're not being paid by tax payers money now so everyone can stop moaning.

So who is paying for their security?