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Meghan Markle story time

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Mummylovesbags · 06/05/2020 17:44

Posting here for the traffic and so this is read by a diverse pool of people - not just royal fans...

I really like Meghan Markle and I admire her for carving her own way and being a feminist in her choices. I like that she waited after the birth for photos and spoke up about the metoo movement etc.

As much as I like Duchess of Cambridge, I don’t think she does anything to advance women. She seems to do what is expected of her which people love but which I find awful. She has a responsibility as a role model for young women but yet Seems to be the perfect, painfully thin, upper class wife that does as she is told, rarely speaks and is every sexist, wealthy, white man’s dream.

I’m a little lost as to why people seem to be pro Kate and anti Meghan. Is it because Kate is what all middle class women aspire to be in England. Doing as one is told ? Being a softly spoken English lady that wears tweed and frolics in the country while her husband is on a boys ski trip etc etc

Have we all forgot about feminism ?

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ArriettyJones · 06/05/2020 18:06

It’s sort of like if Harry had of married a willowy blonde aristocrat and let’s say her Dad was I don’t know, let’s say, accused of having sexual with a 16 year old. Let’s say her letter to him was published and she banned him from the wedding. I think it would have all been forgiven.

Say what now?

How is that a valid comparator?

Are you conflating Prince Andrew with Mr Markle? Why?! Confused

user200000000 · 06/05/2020 18:06

How do people know all this stuff about MM?

oh wait, they don't,they just make it all up on their ridiculous threads on MN.

Pumpkinsarepurple · 06/05/2020 18:06

Is that you Meghan?

Redglitter · 06/05/2020 18:08

I think we’ll all reflect and applaud Meghan for taking a stand against media and moving her family to where they aRe happier

No I dont think thatll ever happen

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 06/05/2020 18:08

How are Meghan's choices feminist?

Ponoka7 · 06/05/2020 18:09

"If she was a feminist who believed in meritocracy she would have refused a royal title and carried on working"

Harry wasn't about to give up the title. I think she thought she could carry on charity work and didn't realise the rules.

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Mummylovesbags · 06/05/2020 18:09

I don’t want to say anything negative about Kate but she will be a historical figure, our daughters will look to her, she will shape the way women are portrayed in the media.

This isn’t really about her like I said. If she didn’t do all the things she was doing she’d end up like Meghan, her reputation in tatters and exiled from the country probably and an unhappy husband who had to give up his title.

I guess it’s more about how the royal family media and society haven’t really changed. They still want a thin princess, that has children, supports feminine charities, talks about how she cooks for husband and is traditional and is really kind of 1950’s when you think about it. Oh and also does god knows what to make sure her husband looks good in the British press even with rose rumours.

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MouthBreathingRage · 06/05/2020 18:09

The reason I don’t like her is to me she seems very fame hungry and ruthless in the way she has treated her own family, friends and her in laws.

So everything you’ve judge her on is through media influence rather than actual evidence of her behaviour? As for her family, I really have no idea how people can defend her father and sister. If she had written about them on here, posters would have been frothing about needing to ‘go no contact immediately!’. Imagine having family who openly admit selling you out for the attention of the media, and you’re still in the wrong. Yet people are amazed she and Harry decided to leave this wonderful, welcoming country.

chunkycoke · 06/05/2020 18:10
Hmm
YgritteSnow · 06/05/2020 18:10

This thread will be gone shortly. I don't think M likes playing second fiddle, not to Kate, not to her own husband even. I think that's what's behind all this. She doesn't like being nudged aside constantly. I don't dislike her for it particularly but I do think she's hard as nails and does exactly what she wants with no thought for the duty or obligation that Harry had to his family and the British public. Also I think most people would have preferred to see Harry not her reading with Archie today and I think she knows that too.

daisydukes7576 · 06/05/2020 18:11

I kinda see the OP point and think she has asked a valid question. Not sure why the uproar?

I agree I like Kate but she does seem like the submissive type, put up and shut up.

I also think Meghan is perhaps a little too far the other way - ungrateful and appears to be a bit selfish but i like her headstrong attitude.

But yes I agree that despite how progressive we think we are People still prefer women to be submissive / or at least those women seem to get 'isn't she lovely!' Comments more often than a female who stands up for herself.

Bella2020 · 06/05/2020 18:11

I was a huge fan of Meghan, OP, and for pretty much the same reasons as you. However, there was no way she could be quite as politically vocal about these issues once inside the RF, nor would she be 'top of the tree' and sole centre of attention, and I think this is where the change happened in her attitude.

I was still a supporter until the 2 statements about leaving the family; the first dictating terms and the second being very petulant because they didn't get all they wanted. This was when I completely changed my mind about them both.

FWIW I'm not really a fan of Kate either. She wa groomed to marry a wealthy, upper class man so i feel that her prim behaviour, not having much of a public, bubbly personality, is all she knows.

cinammonbuns · 06/05/2020 18:12

@YgritteSnow and you discovered so much about her personality when you had tea with her right. Or through the daily mail articles?

LaurieMarlow · 06/05/2020 18:12

I don't think M likes playing second fiddle, not to Kate, not to her own husband even. I think that's what's behind all this

How on earth can you draw such a strong conclusion about someone you’ve never met?Confused

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Mummylovesbags · 06/05/2020 18:12

Exactly !!!! As if she would invite a family who had said racist things about her mother, sold her out to the press and couldn’t be trusted. There were probably all kinds of politics especially after her parents divorce, that made it all impossible.

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AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 06/05/2020 18:12

I think people bash Meghan Markle because they’re racist and classist and prejudice and it’s as simple as that

Do you indeed?

Goady much?

SkinRash · 06/05/2020 18:13

I think because Meghan is black

Except she isn't Hmm

She's as white as she is black.

This nonsense has got absolutely nothing to do with the story you mentioned in the title.

I wish people would shut up about both women. They are different from each other, let them be.

MadameBee · 06/05/2020 18:14

How long before this is either deleted or moved to “The Royal Family” Grin

YgritteSnow · 06/05/2020 18:15

How on earth can you draw such a strong conclusion about someone you’ve never met?

Oh quite easilyGrin

rosinavera · 06/05/2020 18:16

@cinnammonbuns wilfully ignorant??!! I really don't think so - were you out of the country when they got married or something??

LaurieMarlow · 06/05/2020 18:17

Oh quite easily

Where do you think all your prejudices come from then?

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Mummylovesbags · 06/05/2020 18:17

Ok this is bitchy but I’m going to say it...

Kate appears bubbly in public.

If She came to my mothers group though I know she wouldn’t talk to me 😆 I know that’s ridiculous on many levels.

That’s the thing that’s so funny. I am like 99.9% certain that both Meghan and Kate would be sw3 mums. They would only befriend other sw3 mums that were thin and did Pilates and dressed like them. Us normal mums would be patronised or looked over.

That’s what I find so odd about the British. Of course they’re all down to earth with a camera on them and knowing they’re in the public eye.

I don’t think Kate is spending her down time with any friends from Manchester. I mean behind closed doors they would be fiercely snobby.

But yet all this talk about how lovely down to earth and bubbly. As if !!!!

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slashlover · 06/05/2020 18:17

@YgritteSnow

This thread will be gone shortly. I don't think M likes playing second fiddle, not to Kate, not to her own husband even. I think that's what's behind all this. She doesn't like being nudged aside constantly. I don't dislike her for it particularly but I do think she's hard as nails and does exactly what she wants with no thought for the duty or obligation that Harry had to his family and the British public.

Can I just ask why you think this? What about her makes you think she wants to be in front? Also, do you not think Harry was looking for a way out of the obligation previously, judging by some of his comments before he met her?

Chloemol · 06/05/2020 18:18

@cinammonbuns

In the words of Mrs Brown

That’s nice

lakeswimmer · 06/05/2020 18:18

YABU - Meghan isn't a feminist. When asked to chose 15 inspirational women for Vogue she included a trans woman. There are over 3.5 billion women on the planet and she couldn't find 15 biological women to celebrate? Being female is about more than wearing a nice frock and a shedload of make-up FFS.

Pitting Meghan and Kate against each other isn't a good look either. They each have their own way of doing things. One isn't right and the other wrong. It also really pisses me off when people criticise Kate for being thin - commenting on women's bodies isn't helping your argument.

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