Meghan Markle story time

[Mummylovesbags]

Posting here for the traffic and so this is read by a diverse pool of people - not just royal fans...

I really like Meghan Markle and I admire her for carving her own way and being a feminist in her choices. I like that she waited after the birth for photos and spoke up about the metoo movement etc.

As much as I like Duchess of Cambridge, I don’t think she does anything to advance women. She seems to do what is expected of her which people love but which I find awful. She has a responsibility as a role model for young women but yet Seems to be the perfect, painfully thin, upper class wife that does as she is told, rarely speaks and is every sexist, wealthy, white man’s dream.

I’m a little lost as to why people seem to be pro Kate and anti Meghan. Is it because Kate is what all middle class women aspire to be in England. Doing as one is told ? Being a softly spoken English lady that wears tweed and frolics in the country while her husband is on a boys ski trip etc etc

Have we all forgot about feminism ?

I quite like Meghan, but c'mon OP, who really cares? I mean really, deep down? No one gives a fuck...

I'm not prejudiced, so nowhere. You won't draw me in @LaurieMarlow. I honestly DGAF what anyone else thinks of my thoughts on MM and won't be shamed or get sucked into fighting off tedious accusations of racism over them. I am just here to air my views like everyone else

i honestly DGAF what anyone else thinks of my thoughts on MM and won't be shamed or get sucked into fighting off tedious accusations of racism over them.

Totally shameless. Interesting

I suggest you read the many many obsessive threads about H and M on MN to see how many people on here do give a fuck and spends hours discussing them.

Kate appears bubbly in public.

If She came to my mothers group though I know she wouldn’t talk to me 😆 I know that’s ridiculous on many levels.

That’s the thing that’s so funny. I am like 99.9% certain that both Meghan and Kate would be sw3 mums. They would only befriend other sw3 mums that were thin and did Pilates and dressed like them. Us normal mums would be patronised or looked over.

“Bubbly”?! Chelsea? WTF are you on about?

Totally shameless. Interesting

Nothing to be ashamed of

I think Kate’s weight does matter. She’s as honed and toned as an athlete and has 3 kids, a job etc etc so yeh I think her Olympic bod says something about serious athleticism and dedication. Either she wants to go to the Olympics or there’s huge expectations and pressure and how she looks is a priority or a focus. Yeh I think it matters. I want to be politically correct but after Diana’s eating disorder and the pressure to be thin, I think it needs to be asked if the royal family has really changed that much with what it is expects from a princess. Weight is a feminist issue whether you like it or not.

I think people bash Meghan Markle because they’re racist and classist and prejudice and it’s as simple as that

Everyone marrying into the royal family gets a hard time from the press once the initial euphoria has worn off.

Diana escaped a lot of it because she was so young and clearly adored Charles.

Kate escaped because she had been around for so long there was nothing new to say about her. Her mother was hounded for a long while after the wedding though.

The Countess of Wessex was also targetted by the press for quite a while.

if you really want to see the media going to town you should look at the press Camilla and Fergie got. I don't know how Fergie, in particular, manged to get through it. 'Duchess of Pork' was a favourite headline.

It's ridiculous to accuse the press of racism when they are just following their usual pattern of building people up and tearing them down before leaving them alone. I'm not excusing their behaviour, just stating the fact that Meghan was not singled out any more than previous royal brides.

It's a pity that both Harry and Meghan seem to like seeing themselves as victims as I think they would have been great assets for the royal family and the country.

Actually baffled by how truly obsessed so many MNers are with these women.

She's as white as she is black.

Is she now? Because I don’t think that’s how race works. Especially in a sociological sense. What an easier time she and other biracial people would have had if their white heritage was actually recognised. Instead the only white part of her that gets sympathy is her father, who (as previously mentioned) has deliberately used the media for his own gains using her name. How surprising....

I think Kate’s weight does matter. She’s as honed and toned as an athlete and has 3 kids, a job etc etc so yeh I think her Olympic bod says something about serious athleticism and dedication. Either she wants to go to the Olympics or there’s huge expectations and pressure and how she looks is a priority or a focus. Yeh I think it matters. I want to be politically correct but after Diana’s eating disorder and the pressure to be thin, I think it needs to be asked if the royal family has really changed that much with what it is expects from a princess. Weight is a feminist issue whether you like it or not.

Right.....

But you’ve just announced that both K & M would be snotty, Pilates-obsessed Chelsea mums who wouldn’t give you the time of day.

After first telling us that Meghan was a fabulous feminist, and Kate was a drip, and that everyone is racist.

So what’s this thread for? Can you not pick a position or thesis and stick with it?

Are you having some kind of manic episode?

What is interesting Is that none of you who are calling racism have any idea of the ethnicity or background of posters.

I liked MM to begin with like bella.

I’m not keen now because of how she and Hal have behaved.

Now you can call racist, classist, prejudiced, etc., all you like. You don’t know me or my background. If you did, you would realise how ridiculous you sound.

Have we all forgot about feminism
You have but I haven't forgotten. Feminism is about standing up for all women, whether they are your best friend or whether you can't stand them. It's about fighting for ALL women. The ones you like and admire and the ones that you don't.
You've slated Kate and praised Meghan, that's not how feminism works.
Do yourself a favour op and read a few books byAndrea Dworkin, you might learn something.

@Ravenclawgirl agree totally especially about duchess of pork and I recall Camilla had bread rolls thrown at her.

I think the concerning issue with Meghan is more the royal family’s treatment of her. They’ve allegedly IMO thrown her under the bus to make sure the press favour Kate middleton. I personally feel the British royal family sort to put a dimming switch on Meghan In terms of press coverage unless she did as they wanted. That’s the racism I think matters - inside the royal family. That they didn’t think Meghan was deserving of being regal. Putting her at the back of the balcony at trooping if colournwhen she’s a royal the press want photos of is one such example.

She gave up her acting career and a fairly
Nice life. Yeh she wasn’t a list but she was prime time
Tv, earning millions, and she took risks to make it as an actress.

I expect that giving up her life to play second fiddle to Kate whose media interest was equal and who didn’t give up anything beyond privacy to be royal, would have been annoying.

I think you should retitle the thread Random inflammatory rants about Kate and Meghan.

You’re quite clearly just trying to start a bunfight about everything and nothing at all.

I always thought that balcony placement was because of pecking order rather than popularity or press desires. I could be wrong though.

Harry and his wife would not be front and centre simply because they are further down the line of succession. I don’t think it would have mattered who he married.

@ArriettyJones - I think the media image of Kate is very 1950’s and that would be her right and we should let her be that if she was a woman making her own choices. However it is not a woman we are discussing, it is a media construct, an image that is created by the media, PR teams and the British royal family. We really don’t know who she is. My question is does the public’s love affair with Kate as a 1950’s princess say lots about us as a society

Putting her at the back of the balcony at trooping if colournwhen she’s a royal the press want photos of is one such example

What absolute rubbish.

I always thought that balcony placement was because of pecking order rather than popularity or press desires

Its exactly that reason but people would prefer to say its MM being put in her place 🙄

@AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff Harry and Meghan were usually behind royal members who were further behind the throne than they were

@Mummylovesbags
My question is does the public’s love affair with Kate as a 1950’s princess say lots about us as a society
No it wasn't. You wanted a bunfight about two extremely different women.

What is interesting Is that none of you who are calling racism have any idea of the ethnicity or background of posters.

If people are calling out your posts (anyone’s posts) for being racist or prejudice, perhaps that poster should evaluate what they’re saying rather than think they are above racism for their own backgrounds.

We can only go on words, if they are reading as racist or xenophobic then it should be called out on. Of course, if you are a biracial, American, divorced woman from a single parent background and have good reason (with real evidence) to believe Meghan is the awful person that is usually described to be, then I think it’s fair that you say so. That way it’s one less person to be judged as a Daily Mail reading, Pierce Morgan-watching frother.

I can't believe I'm being drawn into an argument about another woman's body but here goes...I don't suppose either of us knows what Kate eats or how much exercise she does and so we're not in a position to make a judgement about whether it's unhealthy.

I do know that the rest of her family are slim, that breast feeding after giving birth can result in rapid weight loss (I was skeletal 6 months after having each of my kids) and that exercise is good for mental as well as physical health.

We don't know whether she feels under pressure to be slim or whether she just IS slim and enjoys exercising. Weight can be seen as a feminist issue but I don't think making a judgement about what another woman looks like is something a feminist should do.

I'm not sure there's much evidence that the RF expect the women to look a certain way - I think Princess Anne, Sophie Wessex, Beatrice and Eugenie look pretty normal TBH.

With that comment I'm going to do an online exercise class - because it's good for my mental health and energy levels and not because I want to be thin!

Was going to comment on this thread as a Republican who doesn't see the point of any of them, and from a point of awareness that the Windsors exemplify just about every unpleasant 'ism' in the book.

But there hardly seems much point. It's going to end up pulled off the table anyway ...

I think racism especially in the UK is very subtle. Racism is a complex thing. It can be implicit and subsconscuous when you don’t even realise you’re being racist. It’s can be systemic and part of the culture of an institution. Sometimes we don’t even realise we’re being racist. I think the daily mail headline ‘Fresh Prince of Bel Air’ about them house hunting near bel air kind of said it all really.

@ArriettyJones - I think the media image of Kate is very 1950’s and that would be her right and we should let her be that if she was a woman making her own choices. However it is not a woman we are discussing, it is a media construct, an image that is created by the media, PR teams and the British royal family. We really don’t know who she is. My question is does the public’s love affair with Kate as a 1950’s princess say lots about us as a society

No, your question keeps changing.

However, the only real aim of the monarchy is to survive and perpetuate itself despite being an archaic concept.

So I expect all their internal plans and briefings revolve around keeping the body steady, being fairly bland and trying to appear good value for money. Which contrasts with tabloid mission to make them into a soap opera.

Some royals play the game more than others 🤷🏽‍♀️