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Does anyone actually think we are getting the 80%

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ChrissieKeller61 · 14/04/2020 11:00

By whatever method ... been chatting to business owners on linkedin and there is a growing feeling that they've no intention of paying this and it's literally a bone been thrown to stop the plebs rioting whilst the lockdown occurs. The USA and Australia have put actual money into peoples accounts. We have been given interest occurring holidays and a promise

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 14/04/2020 11:02

I'm due to be paid next week. My employer has promised to pay all staff at his own expense and then claim the money back when it's available. If it doesn't materialise then it will mean the end for the business (and many others).

YeahWhatevver · 14/04/2020 11:03

Doesn't the 80% actually come from your employer.

They then get it back from the govt. So there wouldn't ever be any examples of the government putting money into people's accounts anyway.

Paddingtonthebear · 14/04/2020 11:04

Employers are needing to pay it out of their own money then claim back from government. The system to claim it back hasn’t been set up yet, end of the month apparently ..

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/04/2020 11:06

There's a lot of fear that it will not materialise on time and that when it does there will be hidden conditions and criteria which will mean various companies aren't eligible.

I'm slowly seeing reports of people being made redundant from furlough and a lot seems to be driven by this. If the staff are on your books then it is the employer who is liable for paying them. Some can't or won't take the risk of having to pay for their staff if this doesn't start paying soon

ThePants999 · 14/04/2020 11:08

It's obviously a widespread view of politicians that they lie a lot, but I'm sorry to see your trust in government sink to the level where you're genuinely expecting they might lie this blatantly. That just doesn't happen.

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ChrissieKeller61 · 14/04/2020 11:08

Both the USA and Australia have physically put the money in themselves via the universal credits equivalent. So many people ... including myself are doubtful the businesses will have the cashflow to support this for three months and that's what "they" are relying on, there will be no claims or minimal because there will be no business.

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Bigsighall · 14/04/2020 11:10

It’s a different system. The portal opens to businesses on the 20th.

missyB1 · 14/04/2020 11:10

Well I will find out on pay day, but I'm not holding out that much hope. Thank God we can live on dh wages (he's a key worker) with a bit of cutting back.

lastqueenofscotland · 14/04/2020 11:11

The USA have given $1200 dollars which in several cities won’t go far at all and then washed their hands of them.
My friend is furloughed and paid weekly, and received their pay on Friday.

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/04/2020 11:13

Gov.uk guide still just says "we expect it to be available by the end of April" - BigSigHall where did you hear the 20th please?

Merryoldgoat · 14/04/2020 11:13

I’m no fan of this government but you honestly think they’d roll out this massive scheme and then just not pay it?

That’s actually idiocy I’m afraid.

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/04/2020 11:14

They received their pay because their employer paid it from their own (or borrowed) funds. The government hasn't paid to any business yet

Bigsighall · 14/04/2020 11:16

@StatisticallyChallenged that’s the date my accountant told me (altho he said realistically it’ll take a few days before everyone will be able to access it due to demand)

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/04/2020 11:17

"Just not pay it" - no.

Be slow and bloody awkward? Well it wouldn't exactly be out of character

Figures on the business interruption loan scheme this morning show only just over 4000 have been processed successfully. Last week there had been 130k applications and it will be more by now. So it is understandable that businesses are concerned

HarrietTheShy · 14/04/2020 11:17

Canada is giving out the equivalent of £1135 for 4 months. First payments were made last week. Anyone can apply and it's being paid within 2-3 days. Erroneous payments will be taken back at tax time, no penalties. That's how you do it.

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ChrissieKeller61 · 14/04/2020 11:21

Be slow and bloody awkward? Well it wouldn't exactly be out of character

This is more my concern, there will a few people who will receive it and millions who won't because the companies can't support the cash flow. There will have to be evidence it's been paid out to claim it back. The number of people I've spoken to who didn't realise that and were planning to pay the employees when the government paid them is staggering. Out of that discussion, there's now 17 people who think they've been furlounged and the company has no way of paying them, they'll find out on the 30th.

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AllTheUserNamesAreTaken · 14/04/2020 11:24

My DH has been furloughed and is paid weekly. He has received his 80% pay

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/04/2020 11:25

From the guidance it does say you can claim in anticipation of imminent payroll - that's from memory, can't remember the precise phrase. But who knows what they will class as imminent and how quickly payment will come through. Most will have to pay upfront, or take the risk of being in breach of contract

help1653 · 14/04/2020 11:26

HMRC have emailed accountants - presumably all those registered as agents with HMRC, and told them they expect the portal to be ready to open for claims on April 20th.

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/04/2020 11:27

They haven't contacted employers who do their own payroll

help1653 · 14/04/2020 11:27

And local council have already been distributing the grants for businesses with premises that met the criteria for grants for that. Its not a huge conspiracy, just takes a while to set up.

RedSoloCup · 14/04/2020 11:29

Chrissie I hope that's not true as we've been told we won't receive and wages until our company can claim the money from the government 😟

Pamelaandthepinecones · 14/04/2020 11:29

Both the USA and Australia have physically put the money in themselves via the universal credits equivalent

I don't think they have. If so, could you link to this please? It was not through the equivalent of UC systems. Instead they are using something akin to our HMRC system and have awill probably have a much quicker response time as citizens dont need to go through a system like UC to make a claim. Payments like this will not go through UC here.

VegetableMunge · 14/04/2020 11:31

Just not pay it, no. That would be phenomenal idiocy. Delays, inefficiency, yes very possibly.

Dyrne · 14/04/2020 11:33

You say America are “putting money in people’s accounts” but they’re actually doing it via their tax system, same as us. If people didn’t file in 2019 then they’re going to have to go round the houses to get the payment. They also have all sorts of weird stuff about how parents claim children as dependents and what that means for payments for children that are now adults and wanted to claim separately etc etc.

Just as much as a faff and ballache as it’s going to be for self-employed people here.

I agree with others that it’s going to be a struggle to sort out getting the payment and there will be delays as systems breakdown and staff struggle with workload; but they’re not going to have outright lied about it.