Does anyone actually think we are getting the 80%

[ChrissieKeller61]

By whatever method ... been chatting to business owners on linkedin and there is a growing feeling that they've no intention of paying this and it's literally a bone been thrown to stop the plebs rioting whilst the lockdown occurs. The USA and Australia have put actual money into peoples accounts. We have been given interest occurring holidays and a promise

It's completely understandable that these things take time, but it's also not that surprising that businesses are concerned when, in the majority of cases, they've not yet been able to obtain funding through any of the support mechanisms. We're certainly in that case - grant and loan applications both submitted on first day they were available, both total silence. Furlough not available. Ssp reclaim not available.

I think business can claim back 80% of the pay they’ve declared. So if they’ve run the March payroll and declared pay for an employee, then the tax and ni will be due on that on April 19th and they have to pay that. But I suppose no one is checking that they transferred the net pay to the employee on payday at the end of March - they could potentially not actually give them the money till they’ve claimed it back from the government. As long as they’ve sent the correct figures into HMRC it should be ok to claim it back.

But I’m also worried that they’ll introduce a load of exceptions and criteria that they haven’t mentioned yet!

Has the government said if they are going to do any checks on the information employers have entered into the system before paying out? Or will they pay out to everyone and then go back and check? I just can’t see them being able to reimburse businesses within a few days of this system going live.

It's not 80% of declared - that would mean a forced top up. It's the cost of paying 80% of normal wage, including the NI and employer min pension contribution on it

As i understand employers submit the value, they're expected to calculate it and then maintain records for a possible future audit

The avowed goal of the furlough system is to support businesses as much as to support their employees. So they can retain their staff ready to work when the business is allowed to reopen.

Do you think a Conservative government is going to deliberately fuck over business?

They haven't contacted employers who do their own payroll

I dont do my own payroll but have had emails about it and what to do to get ready?

Dear customer,

We want to help you get ready to make a claim under the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme.

If you’re eligible for the scheme, there are things that you can do now to be ready when the system is up and running later this month.

You’ll need to provide the following to make a claim:

The bank account number and sort code you’d like us to use when we pay your claim.
The name and phone number of the person in your business for us to call with any questions.
Your Self-Assessment UTR (Unique Tax Reference), Company UTR or CRN (Company Registration Number).
The name, employee number and National Insurance number for each of your furloughed employees.
The total amount being claimed for all employees and the total furlough period.
If you use an agent who is authorised to act for you for PAYE purposes, they will be able to make a claim on your behalf, so please speak to them now.

However, if you use a file-only agent (files your RTI return but doesn’t act for you in other matters), they won’t be able to make a claim for you and you’ll need the information listed above from them to make the claim yourself.

For more detailed advice, please visit GOV.UK. This guidance is being regularly updated, so please review it frequently.

You may also find this recorded webinar helpful, 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) Job Retention Scheme', available on HMRC’s YouTube channel.

We’ll email you again in the next few days with more details on how and when to access the online system – please do not try to do this until we let you know it is available.

We wish you all the best at this challenging time,

HMRC Customer Services

I am paid weekly and have already been receiving my furlough pay. My OH is on monthly pay and due to be paid his furlough pay on Friday. He had already received a small amount of this though last week as a bit of an interim payment until then. So I'm confident that means he should definitely receive the rest of his furlough pay on Friday.

My expectation is yes. DH is furloughed and will be paid 80% of his usual wage at the end of the month and the firm will submit a claim to HMRC when the portal is open. I do believe the govt will honour those claims if all is in line with the guidance on the gov.uk website.

I agree there is a potential issue if some companies will not be able to pay up front and may want to wait until they are reimbursed by HMRC.

Self employed people aren’t getting anything until at least June.

If anyone needs any extra information over how to get support (whether that's financial/mental health/grief etc) during this crisis, mypickle.org/coronahub/ is a really useful website! It has lots of useful links all in one place. Hope this can help somebody!

Out of that discussion, there's now 17 people who think they've been furlounged and the company has no way of paying them, they'll find out on the 30th.

Eh? What do you mean?

Yes self-employed will be invited to apply (if eligible) in June but who knows how long the actually money will take to arrive. Cash flow is an issue.

Are the people on this thread who have been furloughed, or have partners furloughed and that have received pay understanding that the money they have received has nothing to do with the government? The system for this hasn’t even gone live yet.

I meant re the 20th launch date. It may be they're staggering it.

Do you think a Conservative government is going to deliberately fuck over business?
Small businesses, yes, they have done it repeatedly. Not in the way the OP suggests though.

I'm furloughed and paid weekly, had 2 normal payments so far, due another on weds

One of my companies sent a big fuck you letter saying we'll get it when they get it and not before. Sorry and all that.

I'm reconsidering working for them tbh.

TruffleShuffles I think the answer in most cases is no, they don't.

I'm just agog at the amount of people who just think Civil Servants (the people who actually do the work, write the content, make the websites, man the phones etc ) who already have fulltime jobs, can just click their fingers and have everything done. They have to stop what they were on, refocus, plan, move forward.

BringmeSunshine thanks for posting the email. It's a good example of the hard work colleagues at HMRC are doing. It's been less than a month since this was announced and emails have been sent, youtube channels used etc. They are going as quickly as possible.

I’m furloughed and paid weekly but the last time I was paid was the 20th March.

My employer says they have no funds to pay us so I hope the money is paid out. We are all waiting on this pay!

Yes, of course, people who run businesses are all clueless idiots who have no idea what's involved in such a thing...

Or, alternatively, they fully understand that but it makes not a blind bit of difference to the companies who don't actually have the money to pay, or who can only just manage it and are worried about basically emptying their accounts or going in to debt (if they even can).

There's a difference between not understanding what's required and being scared to cough up 10s or even 100s of thousands on what is currently an iou which they don't even know the full terms of

@Thislittlekitten I’m saying this only to help you budget. If the company can’t pay you, the government isn’t sending them any money. You won’t be getting paid ... call your boss for clarification

the government isn’t sending them any money. You won’t be getting paid ... call your boss for clarification

What are you talking about?

The government hasn't sent anyone any cash yet - are you saying you don't think they ever will?