Does anyone actually think we are getting the 80%

[ChrissieKeller61]

By whatever method ... been chatting to business owners on linkedin and there is a growing feeling that they've no intention of paying this and it's literally a bone been thrown to stop the plebs rioting whilst the lockdown occurs. The USA and Australia have put actual money into peoples accounts. We have been given interest occurring holidays and a promise

'Apparently the system is written in COBOL'

Don't be so ridiculous, if you're going to public sector bash at least make your bashing believable and try to retain at least a grain of realism.

And as for the Op - good god I despair, you surely cannot be serious?!

If you think about it logically.. if they can stretch out the payment just long enough, enough businesses will fail so that they don’t have to pay out quite as much furlough money. Cynical but I bet we see this happen to cut costs.



Please tell me you're joking?!

I’ve paid all my ‘redundant’ staff (the entire workforce) on the assumption that the govt will be letting me claim it back - I can’t say I’m not nervous

'Apparently the system is written in COBOL'

Don't be so ridiculous, if you're going to public sector bash at least make your bashing believable and try to retain at least a grain of realism.

If you're going to try to be superior, at least get your facts straight first.

Gwenneh is in the US. Many unemployment benefits systems still use COBOL.

www.theverge.com/2020/4/14/21219561/coronavirus-pandemic-unemployment-systems-cobol-legacy-software-infrastructure

Gwenneh , sorry, which system is that? The new one, that's yet to be launched?

Apparently the system is written in COBOL and it's as old as I am

'apparently' according to whom?

It is sort of necessary to keep the economy going, though-after all “its the economy, stupid”. They will pay, because they wouldn’t get voted back in if they didn’t.

There is some bonkers stuff on this thread. If your company has the actual cash to run payroll in lieu of getting it back from the government then they will do it. If they do not (and many companies currently do not) then you will have to wait for it to come into your company’s bank account which will likely be a week or two after they claim on or around the 20th April. We will run payroll anyway for our staff but this will wipe our remaining cash. As for it going on beyond the end of June I would be very doubtful. It’s then that the shit really will hit the fan for very many businesses and people. I think the government and HMRC have actually done an amazing job turning furlough around so very quickly.

up to 80%

that's the bit that many people are missing.

I worry that businesses will have paid 80% to staff but wont get that amount paid back.

Isn't the up to because it's capped at £2500? I don't believe there's any additional conditionality on the 80% - apart from being calculated on wages, excluding commission, etc

If you're going to try to be superior, at least get your facts straight first.

Lol! Trying to be superior? Just sick of reading all the negativity and made up facts.

Apologies gwenneh if you were talking US - I thought this thread was about the UK's scheme to pay 80% of furloughed workers pay.

I've been receiving it from my work weekly. If the company don't get the money back off the government they will go bust no doubt

I missed the bit where we crossed over from talking about UK to US benefits systems, and given that this is a thread about whether UK government will pay the 80% not surprising some of us missed that Holdmylobster

US dont have the 80% processes so it was a bit misleading.

If you're going to try to be superior, at least get your facts straight first.

Holdmylobster - I'd missed the factual nature of the Op and 80% of the responses but now you've pointed it out to me...

Lol! Trying to be superior? Just sick of reading all the negativity and made up facts.

Always worth reading things properly before you make yourself look stupid.

If HMRC get everyone's payments out within 6 days of the 20th i'll eat my hat. Any my shoes.

What will probably happen IMO will be similar to the banks and CBILS.

The window will open. They'll be completely overwhelmed by the amount of queries and claims and have far too much work, far too few people and massive operational difficulties due to WFH, IT issues etc etc.

The deadline will extend and extend. And due to the never-ending, extending timeline and lack of clarity and guarantees, businesses will fold. And yes, the overall bill will hence be lower.

Whether that eventual outcome will be unfortunate and unforeseen or predicted and hushed up is debatable.

I agree with Cerise.
Total nonsense that this is going to be ok.
MTG, Making Tax Digital, was a fiasco. This will be the same.

Thank you for links / photos from Beetroot, statistically and ComeAway.
This is very helpful. Thank you. I have not had these emails.

I am an employee, paye, not an agent, i work part time for 2 companies, book keeping, finance, payroll, whatever you want to call it.

And I haven't been sent these emails. So it's good to see.

I still have my doubts that the money will be received in 6 days though. I suspect the portal will crash. Call me cynical ......

can you provide a link that says that the employer has to have paid out the money before getting it back from the government as that isn't what the information on .gov says

I can't provide a link but I can confirm that this is exactly what my payroll manager DP says will happen.

They have to upload the details of furloughed staff and those details will be cross-referenced with the pay details uploaded in the normal way through the RTI portal. After the pay date included in the RTI data, the government will then reimburse the 80% of normal pay that was paid to staff in the usual way.

What is the big unknown is how long reimbursement will take, and as it's a brand new system that was only dreamed of 3 weeks ago, I doubt if anyone could say.

I think Rishi Sunak should be having a word with all his banker friends and tell them they should be willing to extend or increase borrowing to businesses that have furloughed staff, by at least the equivalent of 80% of a month's wage bill.

@Oblomov20 Let's try and be a bit optimistic eh?

can you provide a link that says that the employer has to have paid out the money before getting it back from the government as that isn't what the information on .gov site

Figures needed to be entered on to the P11 and submitted via the RTI - Whether or not the employees were actually paid is a different story.

Userxx, I can't find the pp, I wanted to copy and paste, but I'm the same as them:

having dealt with HMRC Employers Helpline etc for the last 20 years, I too know that their IT is poor, and sorting out problems is tiresome.

Expecting them to manage to get a new portal up and running in a few weeks, is unfair expectation wise.

This is NOT going to be smooth sailing. Of that, I'm sure.

It has been said clearly that the furlough payment request can be submitted pre payroll. There needs to be a previous RTI for the employee as a fraud prevention measure

@Oblomov20 Yep, I've been dealing with them around the same time too, let's see what Monday brings before putting the boot in.

Payroll does NOT have to be paid before you can claim. As a PP said, your employees have to be on the payroll on 19th March for you to make a claim. Very many people are going to have to wait to be paid though. If the company does not have the cash for payroll or does not have the cash.

I know it's not the same as furloughed 80% payment but just to show that money is making its way out, DH just received his 10k small business grant this week after making a claim last week so they are holding out on their promises for us so far.