Does anyone actually think we are getting the 80%

[ChrissieKeller61]

By whatever method ... been chatting to business owners on linkedin and there is a growing feeling that they've no intention of paying this and it's literally a bone been thrown to stop the plebs rioting whilst the lockdown occurs. The USA and Australia have put actual money into peoples accounts. We have been given interest occurring holidays and a promise

@Hingeandbracket - she said they are waiting for the government to send the money through before paying the staff. That’s not how it works.

I don't think that's necessarily true ChrissieKeller61 - so far I've not seen evidence that the govt will require evidence of the payment having been made prior to paying businesses. Their own wording is

"You should make your claim using the amounts in your payroll, either shortly before or during running payroll"

It did used to have different wording but i can't see it now

@StatisticallyChallenged I am literally praying that’s true ... a scary number of companies cannot manage the gap.

I am due to be paid end of April, on furlough. My company does not have the funds to pay me before they receive the funds from the government. I'm expecting a long wait, not sure how rent is going to be paid.

And yes, as pp said, anyone who has already received furloughed wages has done so purely because their employer has the funds to do this.

So i would expect that we can do the calcs and claim for April payroll (plus part of March in our case die to dates) begore actually paying the staff. Depending on portal availability obviously

Agreed, many companies can't fund the gap. Some will have been earning squat for the best part of two months by the time April payroll - for those paid month end - rolls around

what is currently an iou which they don't even know the full terms of

Yes, the government didn't fully have all the details either, very rapid response to the situation. Did you know that the very broad brush strokes are made by government and the real delivery plans and what they contain are written by the policy makers, who are Civil Servants. My point stands, we need to get is right, it's been a little over three weeks, and new policies are being drafted, a huge part of which is taking into account how they will be delivered, the nitty gritty of getting money into accounts. Not saying dont be scared, just don't expect anything crystal clear and delivered in three weeks.

Yes our furloughed employees will. We will have to use our go to grant, a bit of back payment owed and some delayed tax payments (non uk tax) to pay them and then claim it back.

Your employer is supposed to pay it then claim it back.

I'm not expecting anything, I'msaying why employers are worried. I've been on local facebook job groups today though and seen numerous people reporting being made redundant from furlough, or instead of, and seeing businesses/employers being slated for it.

It's not a fun time to be an employer either. Our staff seem to be two varieties

• really worried and messaging often asking if they'll be paid
• oblivious to reality and appalled by any employer who isn't topping up. They hear the headlines and assume all ok. Passive aggressive facebook memes optional...

Funnily enough, group 1 are those mostly with experience of universal credit

I dont think the umbrella org that pays me think they have to pay ot then claim it back but I've been furloughed.

My employer is self employed not a business. I guess I'll have a big fuck you message at the end of the month then 😞

OP, USA has only given people 1500 dollars as one off payment. It’s a One off payment!
I would rather get 80% of my wages , thank you very much .

My husband did.

The self employment support is separate to furlough - it's to replace your employers personal income. As long as they're running you through proper payroll the ownership structure shouldn't matter

Ah, so you've opted for the passive aggressive response then.

Funnily enough, group 1 are those mostly with experience of universal credit

Please, don't have a pop at UC now. Its held. Its responded to 1 million claims in a little over a week. 100,000 of which came in the first half an hour after Boris 's announcement. DWP front line staff didn't have much of an Easter. Huge amounts of them worked - waves to BiL.

I wasn't being passive aggressive actually. You're reading something that isn't there.

@ChristineKeller61 can you provide a link that says that the employer has to have paid out the money before getting it back from the government as that isn't what the information on .gov says.

I run payroll in an accountancy practice for a number of companies. We have been advised that the portal for starting reclaims will be up and running for the 20th, they're expecting a number of backdated claims at this point and you can also claim for future payroll up to 14 days in advance. HMRC have advised up to 6 working days for funds to be received to allow for audit checks (it appears they'll run a check of names against those who were on the feb payroll to minimise fraud) and all clients have been advised to keep all records for up to 5 years so I believe a LOT of auditing will be on it's way too.

If the company can’t pay you, the government isn’t sending them any money. You won’t be getting paid ... call your boss for clarification

I think you might have misunderstood, the government (who exactly do you mean anyway?) won't know if the employee has been paid, they will know if a payroll has been done and it's allowable, if the employees agree, to pay them once the furlough grant has been received by the employer.

Your posts aren't helping anyone, I think you need to do some more research

And I wasn't meaning folk with recent UC claims due to Covid. I meant staff who have claimed historically and experienced challenges and as a result don't have as much faith in the government/system as group 2 who haven't had those experiences.

I'm sorry to see your trust in government sink to the level where you're genuinely expecting they might lie this blatantly. That just doesn't happen.

This is Boris Johnson we're talking about.

been chatting to business owners on linkedin and there is a growing feeling that they've no intention of paying this and it's literally a bone been thrown to stop the plebs rioting whilst the lockdown occurs

Your posts reek of sensationalism and scare-mongering. Not to mention deliberate fabrication.

That ties in with my rough expectations QforCucumber. As I say we've not been notified of the 20th but it wouldn't surprise me if they did agents first. A day 1 total free for all would challenge most systems.

6 days is pretty good if that comes to fruition

Do you realise how long it takes to set up an entire new system to facilitate making repayments to employers? Yes some have been expected to make the payment and reclaim for most of april, however the majority wont have furloughed staff until after the 25th march - allowing the april payroll to be included for the reclaim and allowing HMRC time to get the system set up and tested ready to go live. IT cant just clock their fingers and have it in place overnight.