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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 16:22

I'm a teacher and an at risk one too but I'm glad for the kids. (I'm sure at risk teachers won't need to work btw. I was practically thrown out, kindly, when they found out just before lockdown, that I had a high risk lung condition)

Many schools won’t be able to open without high risk teachers such yourself back at work.

I'm welling up thinking of the year 6 celebrations and final weeks that will be back being able to take place. And yr11 and yr 13 too

I think you might be getting rather ahead of yourself here Grin

CruCru · 10/04/2020 16:22

To be fair, “weeks” could be anything from 2 to 12 weeks.

Timefor45 · 10/04/2020 16:22

Schools reopening with the option of sending your child? We had several people take children out of school long before they officially closed. Why not reopen on those terms? Previously, when Norovirus went through the school over the course of a fortnight, some parents chose to keep their kids off then too, to not catch it - school agreed that as an option. Schools are used to putting in special measures for various reasons and I’ll be trusting the guidance from individual headteachers to decide when is best to return, for their school. No point comparing us to any other country, it’s about what’s best for our schools and our communities.

Oakmaiden · 10/04/2020 16:22

I think end of the May half term will be being viewed as an ideal time, but it depends on so many factors.

The bit I find laughable is the inference that it will be one of the first measures to be relaxed. Which is pointless. Physical distancing will be really difficult within schools, and much more difficult to enforce after school.

faithinallisee · 10/04/2020 16:23

The Telegraph
@Telegraph
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Apr 6 @Telegraph
Chris Whitty said that there were four factors that had to balance when looking at lifting #lockdown :

Deaths from #COVID19
Deaths from the NHS
Effects from people from poorer backgrounds

Russellbrandshair · 10/04/2020 16:24

*Bad idea.

Schools should be the last to go back, and seeing as they break for 6 weeks in mid July anyway it would be wise to keep them closed until Sept*

Nope. Having a second wave starting in September would be catastrophic for the nhs

Eggcited · 10/04/2020 16:24

Most teachers are young nowadays... Therefore, most of the teaching population will be not high risk

You can be young and high risk.

Oakmaiden · 10/04/2020 16:24

Thinking about it - the best solution might be to expand the criteria of "essential worker" so that more children are in school, allowing parents who need to to work, but schools remain emptier than is normal.

Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 16:25

There no reason why they can't move teachers to different schools, or combine schools or have double class sizes. That way of thinking (that things can't be done) said that they'd never cancel the national exams.Most teachers are young nowadays, I'm old and rare in my early 40s. Therefore, most of the teaching population will be not high risk, so I don't think they'd have any problems staffing the schools. 1st June.

You think that going straight from lockdown into double class sizes is a good idea?!

The numerous other threads explaining why schools were having to close in March before the government closed them should make it very clear your claims are not true.

LilMissRe · 10/04/2020 16:26

@Bookoffacts
High risk is not just age.
What if you're pregnant? Have Asthma or other underlying conditions?
What if their partners are pregnant, or have underlying conditions?

It's not that simple.

SweatyBettyy · 10/04/2020 16:26

Someone on here said January 2021...not a chance..what kind of world do you live in

Ifonlywecouldwishuponastar · 10/04/2020 16:27

Well. I won't be letting my dd go because I am high risk. So if it is the case, she will go back after the 12 weeks is over. But if I'm honest I think it will be September now. I don't always believe what politicians say.

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2020 16:28

have double class sizes.

Er, can anyone see the problem with this suggestion? Anyone?

How on earth can we go from people shopping their neighbours for having a barbecue to kids packed into classrooms within a matter of weeks?

Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 16:28

Many states in the US have already told schools that they won’t be back till September.

cantata · 10/04/2020 16:29

Please, please, please let this be true.

ChloeDecker · 10/04/2020 16:29

There no reason why they can't move teachers to different schools, or combine schools or have double class sizes.

Schools have already been doing this (mostly Secondaries due to numbers) for keyworker children. However, this would become less likely if the numbers get bigger (social distancing and cleaning/sanitising)

PineappleDanish · 10/04/2020 16:30

In Scotland June makes sense. Our end of term is 24th June. Kids go back 1st June, they have three and a bit weeks until the holiday and are off 7 weeks for a bit more social distancing and then back properly mid-August.

BarefootHippieChick · 10/04/2020 16:31

GCSEs and A Levels were cancelled because they start at the end of April though and it's obvious schools won't be back until june at the earliest, if they do go back before summer. There was no way to delay them because there just isn't time to fit them all in and then mark them in time. I don't think cancelling exams actually has anything to do with when schools will reopen, they're completely separate issues.

LittleBearPad · 10/04/2020 16:31

I think it will be pre-September. After the half term seems most likely to me. They won’t want the restrictions being lifted ahead of winter when the NHS will be on its knees in a normal year let alone this one.

Plus the economy will need to start operating more fully sooner rather than later. June is 8 weeks or so away - it seems a reasonable guess to me.

LilMissRe · 10/04/2020 16:31

The government has thus far been reactive and not proactive- still cannot believe they did not stop the Cheltenham Races from going ahead or advise large concerts like the stereophonic to postpone, or lockdown earlier, so whilst I hope we open schools September, it would not surprise me if the gov does a million U- turns before then, claim to follow the science (as if to say no other country is following the science too)

I hope they go with common sense not media pressure and misinformation.

DippyAvocado · 10/04/2020 16:31

That way, the 12 week shielding will be over so all school staff would be able to go in.

I'm not that people who are shielding now will just magically be able to go back to their normal lives. A switch isn't going to be flicked to say "12 weeks is up, the virus is of no risk to you any more".

I am a primary teacher. I really want us to have some time back before the summer. I imagine there will be some sort of staggered system, which will be a personal headache to me with two primary-aged children in a different school, but I can't see how they will just open normally.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/04/2020 16:32

No way. This won’t happen...

Greysparkles · 10/04/2020 16:32

Surely they cannot have a short summer holiday as teachers have been working from home so they aren't actually off work?

See I think this isn't a bad suggestion.
You've got medical staff coming out of retirement to help on the front line, but as soon as you mention a teacher missing a week or 2 of holiday...
We should all do our part

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 16:32

Give it a few more weeks. It's mixed messages for the masses, so they need one more week of the message that lockdown saves lives, then a switch to the economy saves lives, then schools open. I just wonder how they will do it. All? Morning for some, afternoon for others? Just certain years (young = childcare but old is perhaps more important, especially years 10 + 12)
Staffing with vulnerable/shielding teachers could affect quality of education as well. Not all teachers will be able to return.

GinnyStrupac · 10/04/2020 16:32

I would be extremely concerned if this agenda was pushed forward before it was completely safe to do so. Children, who might well get a mild case or even be asymptomatic, are super spreaders. Who would they spread it to? Vulnerable fellow pupils, vulnerable staff, vulnerable family members and vulnerable members of the community including service providers like bus drivers and shop staff. The vulnerable would not be safe - 12 weeks of isolation does not make you safer after 12 weeks is up. Even the non-vulnerable can get a severe case and end up in ICU or worse - adults or children. Not everyone will receive the standard of care the PM has or be as fortunate in the outcome.

This is painful, I get it, but it's necessary pain to save lives. A pp is right - there is more to life than school. Without good health, there is not nothing but there is less. Without life there is nothing.