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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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noblegiraffe · 13/04/2020 10:34

Any article about schools reopening that isn’t an epidemiologist discussing the point in the pandemic at which it is reasonable to do so, or someone who currently works in schools discussing the practical issues including social distancing, staffing and cleaning should go straight in the bin.

Appuskidu · 13/04/2020 10:37

It is encouraging, therefore, that a study by University College London suggests that school closures are likely to have a relatively small impact on the spread of coronavirus

That completely flawed study has a lot to answer for. I have seen so many people in the press quoting it in the last week, who haven’t actually read what it says.

One option would be to stagger the beginning and end of the school day, which would prevent large groups gathering. Assemblies could be stopped and more lessons could be held outside in the school grounds.

That couldn’t work at many schools where children have a choice of 1 bus/train or not arriving until midday.

Assemblies were all stopped before schools closed anyway.

Lessons held outside? We have a tiny bit of playing field left over because they all got sold. We have one small playground that one class could go out on-but no shade at all. How would that work for the rest of the school?!

tootiredtoconga · 13/04/2020 10:46

Schools will need a supply of hand gel etc. Definely no assemblies in the short term

I'm sorry but this actually made me laugh.

When was the last time you were in a secondary school corridor during movement time between lessons? You literally cannot get from A to B without being physically jostled and rubbing shoulders with dozens of kids, all pushing and shoving, having to squeeze past each other on the stairs. Not to mention the canteen at lunchtime! There's not enough room for them to queue to get their food without touching each other, let alone stand 2m apart. Meanwhile the kids who bring lunches from home are huddled together sat on the floor in packed corridors with little ventilation. Assemblies are the least of our worries! Yes, a supply of hand gel would be nice but I'm not convinced it'll make much of a difference when we have 1600+ kids sharing desks, chairs, computers, books and other equipment, touching doors, door handles, bannisters, using shared toilets and changing rooms. A great many of them simply wouldn't use the hand gel provided anyway and those that do use it would have to be applying and reapplying it almost constantly for it to provide any protection.

faithinallisee · 13/04/2020 10:48

Why was the study completely flawed?

Why aren’t more people talking about its flaws?

Appuskidu · 13/04/2020 10:55

The study said that closing schools as the ONLY form of social distancing wasn’t very effective.

As we didn’t do just this, it’s pretty irrelevant.

Prof Neil Ferguson has stated closing schools here has been a very effective means of severing transmission between households.

I’ve seen plenty of people talking about it’s flaws.

Sadly, I’ve seen more people just quoting the one incorrect piece of information they took from the bbc article they read about it-‘ooh, I heard that closing schools doesn’t work!!’

mumsneedwine · 13/04/2020 10:57

We have 2,000 students. Classes of 30+ squashed into rooms built for less. Change over is chaotic and cramped. We had no hand sanitiser and were running out of soap when we closed. I teach about 300 students a week so exposed to, or potential to spread to, a lot of people. I am at risk as older and on pills. And I'd like to see my mum but can't risk it if I'm back at work. Why do people seem so determined to throw their kids into a soup of infection ? It will not end well. Teachers will die without PPE (which should all be for NHS and care workers). Teachers have died, some quite young. And students will die - kids do get v sick too.
I love my job and and want to go back but I don't want any more deaths. Our school has lost 2 parents already.

DICarter1 · 13/04/2020 11:01

The thing is no one knows how children are affected by this in terms of what the virus does. I think the media at the moment is horrendous for what they’re reporting.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 13/04/2020 11:09

I’m assuming whoever suggested lessons outside doesn’t live in the SW.

Between the sunburn/heatstroke, the rain and everything blowing away I’m not sure how much work will actually get done.

Oakmaiden · 13/04/2020 11:20

Why was the study completely flawed?

I wouldn't say it is completely flawed, but it has been hugely misinterpreted by the media, and is not really applicable to the situation in the UK anyway..

Basically it is an attempt to discuss the benefits and economic drawbacks of school closures as a method of reducing CV transmission. In general it is quite upfront in saying there is very little direct evidence either way. Much of the evidence they considered is difficutl to apply directly (eg they say there is no evidence that CV was being spread in schools in Wuhan, then acknowledge that schools were closed anyway for Chinese New Year and Never reopened).

That said, most of the negative points they cite have actually already been mitigated by the UK's "partial school closure" approach (eg the economic impact is lessened by the fact schools are open as childcare for essential workers) and by the fact that it is accompanied by a general "lockdown" (one reason they give for school closures being ineffective is that children simply mix with peers outside school when schools are closed).

They seem to recommend using various methods of social distancing within schools, but fail to consider how very impractical those measures might be, bearing in mind the physical limitations of school buildings and the inability of small children to effectively keep a physical distance from peers with whom they are sharing a classroom.

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