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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 16:12

@bookoffacts your post makes no sense?!

Rosebel · 10/04/2020 16:12

If they go back before September which I doubt I guess there will be less children in, if it's secondary school, as the Y11 and 13 won't be in. However primary schools won't have that benefit.
Until we reach the peak it's pointless to speculate about when school will reopen

LilMissRe · 10/04/2020 16:13

I don't understand this idea of getting parents back to work?
Everyone is advised to work from home anyway??? So most are- why take kids to school if they're learning at home, in safe environment whilst parents are in the same house, working too?
Really silly idea if they went back before September.
There are suppliers, cleaners, caterers, admin, teachers to think of before you begin to think about the kids- even then, how are you going to ensure social distancing when catching the bus say for secondary school and sixth formers?and walking on our narrow streets? not all schools are spread out. The local primary school to me is in a residential area that are predominantly pensioners. Add parents bringing kids in and out of the school gates- pointless really to do this so soon.

I think many parents will be reluctant to bring their kids to school and risk bringing the virus back to them anyway.

If they want people to work from home, and scream bloody murder if more than a couple are walking out and about, then they must keep schools closed.

Almahart · 10/04/2020 16:14

I very much doubt schools will be back before September

Notpanickingjustyet · 10/04/2020 16:14

@Appuskidu thank you for that, a bit of grounding.

The media need something new and this is it.

They haven't taken into account the staffing problem of people in the vulnerable group.

faithinallisee · 10/04/2020 16:14

Chris Whitty and others are VERY clear that they are balancing potential COVID deaths with other issues such as mental health, ensuring the economy doesn't collapse, deaths due to things like delayed cancer treatment and so on. On that basis it seems patently clear that schools will be opening after the May half term.

LilMissRe · 10/04/2020 16:14

I understand that some parents are key workers and so can't work from home, but schools are open to their children anyway.

JoyceDivision · 10/04/2020 16:15

I'd guess september, I think too early gives the false impression that everything is ok and then people will revert to grandparents doing school runs / after school clubs etc and pressure will be placed back on NHS.

Eggcited · 10/04/2020 16:16

On that basis it seems patently clear that schools will be opening after the May half term.

It isn't patently clear at all.

neveradullmoment99 · 10/04/2020 16:16

Chris Whitty and others are VERY clear that they are balancing potential COVID deaths with other issues such as mental health, ensuring the economy doesn't collapse, deaths due to things like delayed cancer treatment and so on. On that basis it seems patently clear that schools will be opening after the May half term.

Absolute shite. He said they would lift the lock down when the science showed the right time.

MyDcAreMarvel · 10/04/2020 16:16

@PurpleDaisies no you are wrong I have had a letter, other household members do not have to shield if they can follow the guidelines of strict social distances and staying 2 metres away in the home.
Children cannot to do that do they must required. The letters are more detailed than the link you posted.

GoldDay · 10/04/2020 16:17

'The Coronavirus is at its peak. I can’t see kids going back to school in what 2 weeks.'

Possibly, I would guess in a month or so. They won't leave it until Sep and risk a second wave to hit the NHS for winter bed pressures in Nov.

I trust the medical experts. Everything they have said has been accurate.

neveradullmoment99 · 10/04/2020 16:17

He clearly said the right time isn't now. They have no idea when it will be.

faithinallisee · 10/04/2020 16:17

@neveradullmoment99 It's not "absolute shite" at all - go hunt out the transcript if you like.

LilMissRe · 10/04/2020 16:18

Chris Witty and Patrick Valance also said that large events are not much of a problem because you would only infect 4-8 people immediately around you. So business as usual, and herd immunity was a good idea.

Scientists disagree amongst themselves so I will take all this with a pinch of salt.

faithinallisee · 10/04/2020 16:18

@neveradullmoment99:

"Chris Whitty, CMO, says Govt is balancing these risks as it considers lockdown:

  1. Direct effects of people dying from virus
  1. Indirect effects if NHS becomes overwhelmed
  1. Delayed treatments
  1. Impact of lockdown on 'socio economic status', particularly of deprived"
neveradullmoment99 · 10/04/2020 16:18

That isn't what he said in the press conferences. I don't need to.

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2020 16:19

Very glad for the yr6, yr11 and yr 13 especially.

Even if schools did go back after May half term (DfE are prepping for September), Y11 and Y13 wouldn’t be going back. They would only be in for exams at that point, which have been cancelled.

Redwinestillfine · 10/04/2020 16:20

Everything is being considered doesn't mean anything (other than a slow news day). Government have decided nothing. Not sure how it would help the economy anyway. Most people haven't stopped working (we're just doing it from home or are key workers who can't work from home so are going in), those off work because they've been furloughed won't necessarily be able to go back just because the schools are back (and surely if they don't have to work there isn't an issue with childcare) and those in the service industry are either working already or will only really reap the benefits when the lockdown is over for everyone.

MorganKitten · 10/04/2020 16:20

No they won’t. September earliest.

fireflower998 · 10/04/2020 16:20

as they've cancelled all GCSE's and A levels and are aware that staffing will be a huge issue in the short and long term due to staff self isolating and being ill with the virus, I'd say September will be the earliest they reopen.

Russellbrandshair · 10/04/2020 16:21

Chris Whitty and others are VERY clear that they are balancing potential COVID deaths with other issues such as mental health, ensuring the economy doesn't collapse, deaths due to things like delayed cancer treatment and so on. On that basis it seems patently clear that schools will be opening after the May half term

Totally agree. They want the peak in summer NOT sept- nov when we are in full winter flu season and nhs is strained

Bookoffacts · 10/04/2020 16:21

@JesmondDene
There no reason why they can't move teachers to different schools, or combine schools or have double class sizes. That way of thinking (that things can't be done) said that they'd never cancel the national exams.
Most teachers are young nowadays, I'm old and rare in my early 40s. Therefore, most of the teaching population will be not high risk, so I don't think they'd have any problems staffing the schools. 1st June.

FreakStar · 10/04/2020 16:21

It doesn't matter that the young are less affected in terms of severity of the disease. Every child goes home to their family after being in school and so does very teacher!

School children are notorious fro spreading infections amongst themselves. Usually it's a childhood illnesses such as chickenpox which most adults have had in the Uk so have immunity to, but with Covid 19 parents won't have immunity and it will reignite the spread.

Bad idea.

Schools should be the last to go back, and seeing as they break for 6 weeks in mid July anyway it would be wise to keep them closed until Sept.

faithinallisee · 10/04/2020 16:21

@neveradullmoment99 It was in the Q&A session on 6th April. He said that they are balancing four different things. It's not all about potential COVID deaths - it's about weighing those up against other things such as mental health effects of lockdown, deaths due to delayed treatment, and the economy.