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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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EC22 · 10/04/2020 16:34

When they say weeks, they’re talking at least 6.

SmellbowSmellbow123 · 10/04/2020 16:34

No way will schools be reopening until at least May 2039

GrinGrinGrin

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BarefootHippieChick · 10/04/2020 16:34

appuskidu but most schools in USA (and Canada) finish for the summer in early June anyway as they have 12 weeks holiday compared to our 6, so probably not much point in them going back before September.

TossACoinToYourWitcher · 10/04/2020 16:34

I think it will be after May half term.

There's a lot of evidence that has come out in recent days and weeks that suggests that there have been a significant number of undetected mild and asymptomatic cases which means that the virus isn't as lethal as first thought. This also means that it's very wide spread and unlikely to be contained.

The government need to level with people. Lots of people are going to die and this virus is here to stay. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw an approach where everyone over 55 or with at risk conditions is asked to isolate whilst everyone else is told go back to normal. That way a herd immunity can be built up.

PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 10/04/2020 16:36

I think January 2021 is perfectly likely for an 'everything back pretty much to normal' scenario.

Whether schools open briefly in June/July, or in September, further closures are probably inevitable in the Autumn term.

Possibly not on a national level - it might be individual schools closing for deep cleans after an outbreak, or 'hotspot' areas on a more general lockdown, but I think it's highly unlikely that this October & November will see uninterrupted schooling for many children.

bettybattenburg · 10/04/2020 16:37

January 2021

About all I can say about that is that it's more realistic than this:

No way will schools be reopening until at least May 2039.

Grin
EggBaconBeans · 10/04/2020 16:37

I reckon June

bettybattenburg · 10/04/2020 16:38

There's a lot of evidence that has come out in recent days and weeks that suggests that there have been a significant number of undetected mild and asymptomatic cases which means that the virus isn't as lethal as first thought. This also means that it's very wide spread and unlikely to be contained.

It's not evidence if the people thought to have mild and asymptomatic cases have been tested - which they haven't/can't be.

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 16:38

And I vote for before May half term. The papers are running stories now about how school closure didn't affect spread. Open before May half term, then you get a natural break anyway, see how things are going.

DippyAvocado · 10/04/2020 16:39

The government need to level with people. Lots of people are going to die and this virus is here to stay. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw an approach where everyone over 55 or with at risk conditions is asked to isolate whilst everyone else is told go back to normal. That way a herd immunity can be built up.

Are you Dominic Cummings?

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2020 16:39

they need one more week of the message that lockdown saves lives, then a switch to the economy saves lives

But what people seem to be failing to realise is that ‘flattening the curve’ and ‘passing the peak’ doesn’t mean that we are back to things being safe. Having past the peak means still being at hundreds of deaths per day. Opening stuff up just means that the curve starts going up again, and potentially towards a higher peak than the previous one. We need to be much further down the curve on the other side.

IndecentFeminist · 10/04/2020 16:39

Staggered return from half term I suspect. They'll want to reintroduce a little mixing before the summer when hospitals are quieter, not wait until start of standard flu season.

LondonJax · 10/04/2020 16:39

I work for a 'keyworker' school. We've combined four schools - total number of children in the combined, normal, school would be over 3000. We have under 100 children in, thanks to the parents who are obeying the rule of 'if you can have your children at home, please have them at home'.

We have 10 teachers in 10 classrooms of 10 children maximum to observe social distancing.

60 children in a class is utterly ridiculous.

Plus, of course, we've got to get the school buses running again, as I've said in other posts. I can't imagine bus drivers wanting their double decker buses rammed to the brim with kids who, because they are kids, jump all over each other, don't wash their hands etc.,

I think, when they do return, it'll be half weeks so classes can be reduced to half size. Or alternate weeks in - like year 2, 4, 6 etc in on week one and the others in on week two (same for secondary schools). There's no exams now so it doesn't really matter that there's less education - it'll probably be about testing the water, getting the kids back into a structure and that'll be the best that can be hoped for at the moment.

HoffiCoffi13 · 10/04/2020 16:39

I genuinely don’t understand why people keep saying September... what will have changed by then? It’s the worst possible time to send them back, it creates a new peak in November/December, just when flu season hits, which is categorically what everyone wants to avoid.
It makes far far more sense to send them back mid/late June for a few weeks and see what impact that has on the number of new cases, they then have the summer holidays so no pressure for a further shut down.
Sending them all back in September blindly, just as flu season starts, would be madness.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 10/04/2020 16:40

@LilMissRe there are plenty of people who can't work from home who are not key workers, myself included.

TossACoinToYourWitcher · 10/04/2020 16:41

@bettybattenburg the original press release I saw was in German but here's an English write up. Essentially antibody testing was carried out in a German hotspot and they found far more cases than were originally detected through antigen testing. There have been similar studies in Iceland.

www.thenational.ae/world/germany-s-wuhan-has-15-per-cent-infection-rate-and-low-death-toll-1.1004050

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2020 16:42

The papers are running stories now about how school closure didn't affect spread.

The papers are running a lot of shite at the moment. They ran that story that said deaths would only be 5700 and that was bollocks. And police checking your trolley for Easter eggs. Also bollocks.

At the moment, if someone says anything it is being reported and discussed in the papers as if fact because there are no other news stories to publish.

Ethelfleda · 10/04/2020 16:42

I think it is amusing that so many people on here are experts all of a sudden. So many armchair epidemiologists with their opinions on what should, or shouldn’t happen.

For me, I would rather listen to what the science says - that is presumably what the government will do too... listen to scientific advisors on when and what should be relaxed first. It is too soon to evaluate this properly, therefore too soon to take anyone’s opinion too seriously as nobody knows.

All this “No, it’ll definitely be September” or “I think it will be in May” is all very well and good - but it’s just speculation at this point and has no basis in reality... and therefore no meaning.

TossACoinToYourWitcher · 10/04/2020 16:42

Are you Dominic Cummings?

Haha no, just being pragmatic. It's unfortunate but the virus is here and unless we go full Wuhan all over the world then it's here to stay.

ChloeDecker · 10/04/2020 16:43

See I think this isn't a bad suggestion.
You've got medical staff coming out of retirement to help on the front line, but as soon as you mention a teacher missing a week or 2 of holiday...
We should all do our part

Teachers are and have been doing their part (during the current Easter holidays too) for things like making PPE equipment, delivering food to pupil families (in the news today), planning for the next few weeks/months etc. providing support and lots of other things.

If teachers were required by the govt. to work in the summer holidays, they would (they are already doing this by agreeing to work in the Easter holidays on a rota basis unpaid for keyworker children this Easter) but if they aren’t, I don’t think they could be criticised for not ‘doing their part’ in their own holidays.

Plenty are doing their part in this current Crisis, plenty are going over and above and plenty are doing bugger all. I wish teachers, as a whole, were given a tiny break on Mumsnet.

JellyfishandShells · 10/04/2020 16:43

Emeritus - so not current. Just an opinion, then .

Cissyandflora · 10/04/2020 16:43

Yes well said @AmelieTaylor. There’s more to life than school. I’m already worrying about what I’ll do if they suggest sending the children back to school soon. I’ve decided I will have to lie and say we are sick and self-isolating. I’m not prepared to put my family in danger or play strategy games to support the economy.

LondonJax · 10/04/2020 16:43

There's a lot of evidence that has come out in recent days and weeks that suggests that there have been a significant number of undetected mild and asymptomatic cases which means that the virus isn't as lethal as first thought. This also means that it's very wide spread and unlikely to be contained.

No there's not. There's been evidence that people have had something. But it could be a cold, could be mild flu, could be bad hayfever, could be little mini particles landing from Mars. We have no test for the general population so we have no idea what these people have had. So 1% could be Covid 19 or 91%. Assuming it's mild because auntie Nellie has had a fever and a bit of a cough is a heck of risk to take if that turns out to have been a head cold....

Redwinestillfine · 10/04/2020 16:44

@Oakmaiden Most essential workers I know (interestingly particularly teachers) are not sending their kids into school if they can help it. I don't think expanding the criteria will necessarily lead to more uptake