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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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PurpleDaisies · 10/04/2020 15:38

At the moment, I don’t think there would be enough staff to open schools again. Plus, that would be the end of social distancing.

June/July is my bet, not really based on any particular evidence.

Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:38

This is what the DfE had to say about that Times article 2 days ago? Confused

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Chocolatecake12 · 10/04/2020 15:39

My personal opinion would be that school will go back after the may half term -so the first week of June but on a staggered return so maybe years 5/6 in primary and years 10 and 12 in secondary first. This would allow for social distancing to continue to a certain degree and allow for schools to be staffed adequately for the amount of children.

paulhollywoodshairgel · 10/04/2020 15:39

January 2021 😱😱😱 good god. Send help!

Mascotte · 10/04/2020 15:39

Great news!

TheReluctantCountess · 10/04/2020 15:40

I hope it’s not before September.

Thekindyoufindinasecondhand · 10/04/2020 15:40

I think it will be September, potentially sending some of the children with GCSE's the following year in before the summer school holidays if possible.
I don't think they can cut the school holidays short as a teachers contract is to work a certain amount of weeks in the year, like all jobs, and they are currently meant to be working from home.

BirdieDance · 10/04/2020 15:40

I hope September, and I say that as a teacher and as a parent. I am terrified of them jumping too soon because people are desperate to go back to "normal". There was a reason they closed the schools and as far as I can see, nothing has changed to make that reason go away and is unlikely to for a good while yet.
Do I wish things were different? Of course I do! I wish my kids were in school and I was doing what I love and working with my fabulous students face to face rather than remotely, but this is not where we are. This is the situation we find ourselves in and keeping our children and all of their teachers away from danger has to be the priority right now.

dannydyerismydad · 10/04/2020 15:42

How would that work if a parent was shielding? There's no way their child could return to school until the risk was removed.

PurpleDaisies · 10/04/2020 15:44

You’re wrong danny. From the government site...
If you have someone else living with you, they are not required to adopt these protective shielding measures for themselves.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19

BelleSausage · 10/04/2020 15:45

Not going to happen.

The fact that certain media groups keep pushing this agenda is beyond irresponsible and I hope that once this is all over they are dragged over the coals for it.

Pretending that it would be at all possible to open schools in ‘a few weeks’ encourages the idea that this is nearly over and that people can start to relax. Not true. We may be at peak, we may not. They are still under lock down in Italy. Until we see movement there we cannot expect it here. China (who locked down at the end of Jan) are only just very slowly reopening things (not schools). That gives you a rough time frame.

There is not enough PPE to protect NHS staff, never mind school staff too.

Just accept that no one knows where the end of this is. Giving people false hope is cruel.

Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 15:47

@Orangeblossom78 the Times wrote the same old bollocks on Wednesday, which the DfE responded to.

aintnothinbutagstring · 10/04/2020 15:47

I predict may/June, since we may be looking at a second wave in the autumn winter, another lockdown could come around that time with schools closing again ahead of Xmas perhaps.

Bezalelle · 10/04/2020 15:47

No way will schools be reopening until at least May 2039.

LIZS · 10/04/2020 15:48

And what about school/college buildings which have been effectively mothballed. These will take time to clean and staff to get organised again.

StSaulOfSnacks · 10/04/2020 15:49

Not gonna happen.

1stevernamechange · 10/04/2020 15:49

Chocolatecake that’s a good idea.

Amboseli · 10/04/2020 15:50

@Chocolatecake12, agree, seems a sensible and doable way of managing a safe return to school.

My DH is very high risk so I personally would be worried about DCs getting it and passing into him depending on how they travel in. They use public transport. If I could pick up and drop off which would be very doable if I'm still wfh (even more doable if I've lost my job by then...).

We're shielding DH at home as I'm still having to go to the supermarket so we've got into a routine, separate bedroom, bathroom, office as he wfh so he has absolutely minimal contact with rest of family and we're all constantly washing our hands.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 10/04/2020 15:51

Can't see it being open in weeks at all, especially with exams being cancelled for GCSEs etc.
Not much point going back before the summer holidays, I think maybe September is more realistic.
It's still lockdown, I don't think they'll be sending the schools back just yet.

GrumpyHoonMain · 10/04/2020 15:52

Yes I agree schools that should be reopened and like in other countries preference should be given to GCSE / A Level students. So if there aren’t enough teachers for the whole school it doesn’t matter as much.

NotExactlyHappyToHelp · 10/04/2020 15:52

I’m hoping for some time in June, the end maybe, but I’m preparing for September.
I think if possible a few weeks back in education would do a lot of kids the world of good.

The possibility of opening schools in a staggered way is interesting. A day a week per year group would be preferable to nothing.

CarlottaValdez · 10/04/2020 15:52

Not going to happen. September at the earliest but January 2021 is my guess

Pah, no way are they opening January 2021. March 2024 at the absolute earliest.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 10/04/2020 15:54

It will not be January 2021 for God's sake. No way is the government going to pay wages for people who have to stay off work with their kids for that long.

I think chocolatecake has the most likely scenario.

Inthemuckheap · 10/04/2020 15:54

Define "weeks"

PumpkinPie2016 · 10/04/2020 15:54

Bezalelle Grin

I reckon they will probably look at reopening schools after the May half term. That way, the 12 week shielding will be over so all school staff would be able to go in. Obviously, it depends on when we see the peak of the virus though and deaths are still so high at the moment Sad

People want to get back to normal, of course they do, but rushing it isn't the answer.

I have a UK holiday cottage booked mid August and I am hoping we can still go.

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