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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 14:07

Meanwhile Denmark opening schools on Wednesday

And the prize for ‘most misleading comment’ goes to...

noblegiraffe · 11/04/2020 14:08

Lots of parents weren’t complying and sending their kids in when schools were open due to CV concerns and I think that group will have become bigger, not smaller.

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 14:08

People are complete idiots who just parrot whatever is in that week's press. I really wouldn't worry about that as an obstacle. I also don't expect it attendance to be enforced, and there are some for whom it will be too dangerous. We can only hope that our government remembers them and plans a longer term home ed programme for them

cantkeepawayforever · 11/04/2020 14:10

I think it will depend on other aspects of the lockdown, though - if furlough ends, and people have to go to work again / expected to wfh at full capacity, then they will send children to school.

noblegiraffe · 11/04/2020 14:11

People are complete idiots who just parrot whatever is in that week's press.

Like ‘Denmark opening schools on Wednesday’ you mean, Death?

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 14:12

Are schools opening or not in Denmark, and on a regional basis in Germany?

I don't think even on this thread in a UK context we are talking about 'when will all schools open to all pupils of all ages exactly as things once were' because, if we are, to be fair I will be changing my answer!

noblegiraffe · 11/04/2020 14:14

As said above Death, there’s a lot of context and info missing from that comment.

Deliberately so? Or just an idiot parroting headlines?

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 14:18

Oh so cutting Grin

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 14:21

Enjoy next week's news that we are bravely winning our battle and the next front lies in considering what would once have been unthinkable, but for the brave actions of you Stay Home Heroes. Now the next front lies in Bravely Go To Work and School To Save The Economy, but with masks and a fancy app on your phone that will most definitely protect you.
You read it here first remember Wink

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 14:22

Maybe not the masks ... unless you make them yourselves

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 14:36

Some schools are opening in Denmark to a few students , 10 per class. Will need to check whether that is from a starting point of complete shutdown.

Schools in Denmark also are very clean , well ventilated , furnished ergonomically and with large classrooms. They are also very very well equipped and funded. Denmark has also had extensive testing and tracing.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 14:40

Does anyone know anyone actually Danish? Because we seem to believe what the media tells us here, despite simultaneously agreeing that the media feeds us bollocks about the country we actually live in.

noblegiraffe · 11/04/2020 14:56

The danish government guidance is here, piggy via google translate

docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1m3VDsxLDbnU8bhIP7V6ekz32PZEGaKb1ySCP-qw2CJA/mobilebasic

Lessons to be taught outside. Children sat 2m apart from each other. 6m^2 floor space per child.

This is not schools reopening as normal.

refraction · 11/04/2020 14:56

NYC is interesting their report on sky regarding schools at the moment.

refraction · 11/04/2020 14:58

They are buying every child a device in NYC.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 14:59

I think that says a lot about how organised Denmark is ! No such advice even currently exists for open schools in England.

I am reading The Year of Living Danishly. It's fascinating.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 15:01

My cousin teaches in NYC. Their decision making, provision, resourcing and guidance in addition to the way teachers are treated is all woeful.

refraction · 11/04/2020 15:03

My cousin teaches in NYC. Their decision making, provision, resourcing and guidance in addition to the way teachers are treated is all woeful.

Does it sound worse than here Piggy?

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 16:44

Marginally, yes.

Cam2020 · 11/04/2020 17:27

It's all speculation at this stage, isn't it? I think after the May half term is more likely.

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 17:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-52183295

Have posted this on another school thread (there are many!). I thought the bit about low/moderate/substantial risks at spreading the virus was interesting. Opening up schools and people returning to work are classed as ‘substantial’.

NowWhatUsernameShallIHave · 11/04/2020 17:36

What about single parents like me who are in the high risk category??

MyWitzEnd · 11/04/2020 17:38

I doubt it -massively

Plunger · 11/04/2020 17:43

What about how the children get to school? Parents and grandparents etc will have to take the younger ones and it will be impossible to keep distance between people.

MollyMinniesMum · 11/04/2020 17:54

Week? Yes about 40, at least

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