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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

In thinking that my ex and his partner are being extremely awkward during COVID 19?

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Newyorkcitybaby · 28/03/2020 21:26

Generally get on with my ex and his partner. We’ve been split for around 7 years and share DD age 8 together. Both moved on, he and his partner have a son together and me and my partner have a daughter as well. All very amicable, until tonight. We’ve had a huge disagreement.

They normally have DD every weekend during term time (not my choice but ex works away during the week so it’s the only time he gets to see her) and then every other week during the holidays. DD has been at their house for over a week now and was suppose to be coming back home today. I didn’t get to spend Mother’s Day with her (which was crap) but I reluctantly agreed to it as I thought that she’d be home today.

I spoke to his partner last night and she asked me if they could keep her for the foreseeable future, until all this blows over. I voiced my concerns and explained that wouldn’t really work for us as it could mean we might not see DD for months (god knows how long this will go on for). She said that was fine and that she’d leave it up to me and my ex to discuss as it wasn’t really her place to say anything (not sure why she mentioned it in the first place then?). Fast forward to today and I’ve received a text from my ex basically saying the same thing, which leads me to believe it’s his partner using his phone. The tone of the message also comes across quite aggressive/rude which isn’t really like him either. He’s normally a very laid back person as where she tends to be quite abrupt.

They’ve again asked if they can keep DD for the foreseeable future until COVID-19 is over and there argument is based on the fact that I work in a nursing home 2 days a week. I’ve tried to reassure them that we all wear PPE and disinfect the place 24/7, it is absolutely spotless. The residents are also not allowed visitors in at the moment and it has been that way since all this began. I’ve also explained that there is probably more of a chance of them contracting the virus from going to the supermarket/out on a walk as a family but they just won’t accept it. Anyone can catch the virus, just because I work in a home doesn’t necessarily mean I will catch the virus. I absolutely take this seriously (as does the rest of my family - we have been washing hands thoroughly, staying at home unless going to work) but IMO his partner has gone absolutely OTT, she is definitely one of the panic buyers that you see in the shops.

I’ve tried to compromise and have even suggested that they have her for two weeks, we have her for two weeks and so on, in order to minimise the going “back and fourth”. Ex has now replied stating that they will keep her for another two weeks (even though they have had her for a week already) meaning I won’t get to see my daughter for 3 weeks. I asked them how would they feel if they couldn’t see DD for over a month and they haven’t responded. My youngest DD misses her big sister too so it would be nice for them to spend some time together. I’m not normally one to argue and I absolutely hate confrontation. I tend to just let them have their way as it makes for an easier life, plus I want DD to have a good relationship with her dad, but AIBU in thinking that their being bloody awkward and just want it “their” way?

(I know I have every right to go and pick my daughter up but I would rather it not get to that stage). I am trying to come up with a solution that works for both of us but also keeps DD safe.

What do you guys think?

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Isitweekendyet · 29/03/2020 10:58

My blood boiled reading this.

I appreciate we're in lockdown but not seeing your eight-year-old child for six months is fucking inhumane. Especially to her.

Go and get your girl, OP!

If they're so worried about COVID say she can stay with you for the foreseeable!

aSofaNearYou · 29/03/2020 11:01

Of course I don't want any of my children or family catching COVID-19 and I think that's a ridiculous assumption to make.

Of course I don't think you want her to catch it, that's why I can't fathom how you can't see that between you and your partner you are significantly more likely to get it than her dad and his partner, and no matter how many times people mention it on this thread, you don't seem to have an answer for it at all. How can you not see how high risk you are of catching it? Your partner especially.

How do we know this won't go on for months? Does that mean I just won't see my daughter until then? How do you think that will make her feel?

Like I said, people are getting really ahead of themselves by thinking about this in terms of "but what if it goes on for months". We need to address the immediate danger right now, not get hung up on the what ifs of what happens afterward. All we KNOW is that we are a couple of weeks behind Italy who have, now, been in crisis for nearly that long. We are on the brink of what we know will be an extremely dangerous time in the pandemic. THIS is the time to avoid getting it at all costs. We should be thinking about whether it will go on for months when we actually know that it will be going on for months, and reassess then, not failing to address the crisis level now because "but what if it goes on for months".

Rebellenny · 29/03/2020 11:03

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TippledPink · 29/03/2020 11:03

@Ponoka7 That is very very unusual- you normally have to apply for an emergency residence order for the police to act.

Butterymuffin · 29/03/2020 11:08

I hope she's back with you soon OP. It's a shame when it's been amiable up till now, but it does sound like this is another instance of everyone going along with what your ex's partner wants as the easiest thing. You've accepted them doing lots of stuff their way but now you need to draw a line.

YgritteSnow · 29/03/2020 11:10

MN is an absolute snake pit and the minute. Hopefully the decent ones will hang around to provide balance though Smile. Hope all goes smoothly at pick up OP.

zombieapocalypseisnigh · 29/03/2020 11:12

Hope she's home soon, OP.

Your Ex was out of line. You are the primary carer, and your DD wants to come home. You have care in place for her at home with you and your partner, so that's where she should be.

Cheesepleas3 · 29/03/2020 11:14

ElsieMc I totally disagree. CM payments when done officially through the calculations are measly. Dance classes are expensive. Why sacrifice her daughters dance classes and other activities he pays for to get a few quid a week through the books, that almost definitely wouldn't cover her activities. Who is that benefiting? When two parents are amacable, which OP says her and her EX have been up until now, there is no need for everything to be so black and white. The setups that are done by the parents themselves and not through CMS and the courts almost always work out better for the kids and that's what matters not tit for tat between the parents.

Willyoujustbequiet · 29/03/2020 12:27

Hope its good news for you OP

Tistheseason17 · 29/03/2020 12:36

I hope you get your daughter back with you soon. I would not want my daughter distressed without me, either.
I work for NHS and as long as you follow all the correct procedures you are safer than asymptomatic infected people picking up food from supermarkets and then touching their faces and putting it down for others to pick up..

MintyMabel · 29/03/2020 12:42

It is about where the DC's permanent home is, who the resident parent is. Whether that was the mother or the father I'd be saying the same thing. The parent who has them on weekends does not make these decisions.

A parent who regularly sees his child is not allowed to make decisions about his child? What kind of bullshit is that? He can be concerned about her health and well being and want to protect her, even if he only sees her every weekend.

fortyfifty · 29/03/2020 12:46

I hope you have your DD back now OP. It sounds like you have been too accommodating in the past to keep the peace. I mis-read you post and thought you said your ex has your DD every other weekend. Every weekend sounds appalling. That would mean you can never go out on a weekend as a family with your younger DD. What time do you normally get her back on a Sunday? Also, him paying for her activities is not on either. He gets to take the credit for paying for something fun whilst you have to pay for all the boring essentials? There are many activities kids can do that don't cost very much. Dancing is not mandatory. Also, what happens if she decides not to do these anymore when she is older but still a minor? Will he then pay for other essentials? I doubt it.

ChestyNut · 29/03/2020 12:57

Hope you have DD and she’s ok Flowers

DressesWithPocketsRockMyWorld · 29/03/2020 12:57

This makes me feel sick. I hope you have your DD back soon OP.

PotholeParadise · 29/03/2020 13:04

The initial government plan was for most of the population to get it in order to gain "herd immunity". That can't be reversed. What we are going now is simply slowing the spread.

The OP's child has gone through plenty of upheaval already, as we all have. It is emotionally abusive of her father to turn her stay into an indefinite stay, separating her from her mother, totally unexpectedly, with no warning, discussion or negotiation. And for what? To delay her catching a virus that we all going to catch when she is currently in the lowest risk group?

OP should get her, and when this is over, sort out a court order.

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 13:04

She's home! Safe and sound, so glad to have her back. We're just sat on the sofa now having a cuddle, she wants to watch Disney films so our plan is to just laze about all day and binge on snacks. My other DD is so happy to have her sister back as well. Ex seemed ok when I went to pick her up, he just said to let him know when she can come back. I didn't see his partner.

Feel so content having both my girls together and can't wait to spend some quality time together Smile

Thank you again for all your responses. I really do appreciate it.

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PotholeParadise · 29/03/2020 13:06

Awesome, OP!

TippledPink · 29/03/2020 13:13

That's great OP glad to hear she is home.

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 29/03/2020 13:21

I appreciate we're in lockdown but not seeing your eight-year-old child for six months is fucking inhumane. Especially to her.

Well now that she's home she might not see her dad for 6 months. This is the reality of the situation you're in. People are not supposed to go into other people's houses.

That includes children from separated families. The child has to stay at one house until this is over. If it's ok for your child to go between the houses, why would it not be ok for your exes partner to come into your house for a couple of weeks.

This is serious. I'm glad your daughter is back, but technically you have breached the guidelines.

Don't do it again.

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 13:27

How have I breached the guidelines? @TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre

"The Government have issued new guidance for separated parents that “where parents do not live in the same household, children under 18 can be moved between the parents’ homes”. This means separated parents can continue to share childcare during the Stay at Home policy when safe to do so".

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DwayneBenzie · 29/03/2020 13:27

Some ridiculous scaremongering on this thread. The legislation explicitly says that families can travel as usual to exchange children who have more than one home. You should stick to the normal arrangements OP, you have explicit legal right to travel in order to do so.

Quartz2208 · 29/03/2020 13:27

@TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre no the guidelines specifically allow for children to travel between two families.

She has not breached the guidelines and unless either family become symptomatic she will be allowed to go back next week

There has been proper legal advice on mumsnet about this as well but here is the bbc www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52018136

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 13:27

I'm happy to accept if I'm wrong but honestly can't see how I've breached any guidelines.

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Fizzypoo · 29/03/2020 13:27

OP I'm so happy and relieved to hear that she's back.

I would use this time to now ensure you get your dd eow and get to have family days and down time with her. Your ex is not on amicable terms with you even if you think he is. No parents on amicable terms try to keep the DC with them when it's time to go back with the other parent.

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 13:29

Thank you @DwayneBenzie and @Quartz2208

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