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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

In thinking that my ex and his partner are being extremely awkward during COVID 19?

189 replies

Newyorkcitybaby · 28/03/2020 21:26

Generally get on with my ex and his partner. We’ve been split for around 7 years and share DD age 8 together. Both moved on, he and his partner have a son together and me and my partner have a daughter as well. All very amicable, until tonight. We’ve had a huge disagreement.

They normally have DD every weekend during term time (not my choice but ex works away during the week so it’s the only time he gets to see her) and then every other week during the holidays. DD has been at their house for over a week now and was suppose to be coming back home today. I didn’t get to spend Mother’s Day with her (which was crap) but I reluctantly agreed to it as I thought that she’d be home today.

I spoke to his partner last night and she asked me if they could keep her for the foreseeable future, until all this blows over. I voiced my concerns and explained that wouldn’t really work for us as it could mean we might not see DD for months (god knows how long this will go on for). She said that was fine and that she’d leave it up to me and my ex to discuss as it wasn’t really her place to say anything (not sure why she mentioned it in the first place then?). Fast forward to today and I’ve received a text from my ex basically saying the same thing, which leads me to believe it’s his partner using his phone. The tone of the message also comes across quite aggressive/rude which isn’t really like him either. He’s normally a very laid back person as where she tends to be quite abrupt.

They’ve again asked if they can keep DD for the foreseeable future until COVID-19 is over and there argument is based on the fact that I work in a nursing home 2 days a week. I’ve tried to reassure them that we all wear PPE and disinfect the place 24/7, it is absolutely spotless. The residents are also not allowed visitors in at the moment and it has been that way since all this began. I’ve also explained that there is probably more of a chance of them contracting the virus from going to the supermarket/out on a walk as a family but they just won’t accept it. Anyone can catch the virus, just because I work in a home doesn’t necessarily mean I will catch the virus. I absolutely take this seriously (as does the rest of my family - we have been washing hands thoroughly, staying at home unless going to work) but IMO his partner has gone absolutely OTT, she is definitely one of the panic buyers that you see in the shops.

I’ve tried to compromise and have even suggested that they have her for two weeks, we have her for two weeks and so on, in order to minimise the going “back and fourth”. Ex has now replied stating that they will keep her for another two weeks (even though they have had her for a week already) meaning I won’t get to see my daughter for 3 weeks. I asked them how would they feel if they couldn’t see DD for over a month and they haven’t responded. My youngest DD misses her big sister too so it would be nice for them to spend some time together. I’m not normally one to argue and I absolutely hate confrontation. I tend to just let them have their way as it makes for an easier life, plus I want DD to have a good relationship with her dad, but AIBU in thinking that their being bloody awkward and just want it “their” way?

(I know I have every right to go and pick my daughter up but I would rather it not get to that stage). I am trying to come up with a solution that works for both of us but also keeps DD safe.

What do you guys think?

OP posts:
GetOffYourHighHorse · 29/03/2020 10:04

'Im really confused, I’ve read several other threads clearly from mothers saying, ex is still working but wants to see child - can I stop him seeing the child as we are all self isolating and everyone agrees and says to stop all contact for now.'

It is about where the DC's permanent home is, who the resident parent is. Whether that was the mother or the father I'd be saying the same thing. The parent who has them on weekends does not make these decisions.

Glad you're going to get her op.

blackberrysoup · 29/03/2020 10:06

He isn’t the RP so actually if he refuses to hand her back to the RP, it is kidnap.

No it's not, there is no court order in place stating who the RP is. It's not great that he is refusing, obviously, but it's a matter for the OP and her daughter's other parent to resolve.

blackberrysoup · 29/03/2020 10:08

Good luck OP, I hope it goes well when you collect her.

Cheesepleas3 · 29/03/2020 10:09

I don't understand why so many are suggesting child maintenance money, MN really is obsessed with it! Do you people not realise if he pays child maintenance his is under no obligation whatsoever to pay for dance classes etc, meaning that the child could actually be worse off as a result of it. It genuinely shocks me how many mothers would cut their nose off to spite their face just so they get child maintenance, meaning their child actually gets less. Ditto regarding claiming he's doing it for benefits, not everyone is so money obsessed ffs.
OP has stated that they usually get on well etc so why must posters create their own narrative Hmm

StealthMama · 29/03/2020 10:11

Good luck op 💐

Eskarina1 · 29/03/2020 10:11

The risk to an 8 year old of not seeing her mum for months is far more significant than the risk of her catching covid unless she is in the at risk category

I would see this as a wake up call that they get everything their own way. Every weekend is not reasonable, you deserve down time too. No maintenance isn't ok either. And with all the flexibility you offer, he couldn't even give you mothers day? He made his daughter watch someone else celebrate mothers day with his child?

I hope everything goes smoothly getting your daughter today. I think as soon as possible you should get a legal agreement which is fair to all of you.

Babyboomtastic · 29/03/2020 10:12

Lol at those who think that the OP can simply change contact to eow, and that the courts will be willing to enforce whatever she decrees. As it is, rightly or wrongly, the child spends as much time with her father as her mother, and neither are in the position to make demands. He has as much (or little) right to keep her there as the OP does to collect her. And if the courts got involved, I wouldn't want to guess which way it would go right now, given one family has more time and is in a more protective environment.

Its sad that your daughter is upset by this, but I wonder how much of that is because you and her dad had a blazing row about it, rather than talking to her and explaining things.

The difference on this and the million other posts is shocking. That she's not at her 'primary home' is a convenient excuse, and as I've said before, one that doesn't actually hold true if you compare waking hours.

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 10:12

Thank you @blackberrysoup. Will keep you updated when I return home.

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louise5754 · 29/03/2020 10:14

Do you think the step mum prefers having your dd to entertain her little one now they are all home 24/7?

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 10:16

My friend said exactly the same thing on the phone last @louise5754. I have no idea in all honesty, in hindsight, I'm sure it's probably much easier as it means their son won't get bored. They could probably say the same thing about us though and our other DD.

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aSofaNearYou · 29/03/2020 10:29

People are so hung up on him making this decision against OPs will (which although I don't agree with it, let's face it many mum's have done and nobody batted an eye) that they are burying their heads in the sand about the fact that he is very right about her being safer there. OP most of all.

I'm sorry but if I had as many risk factors as you and your partner, I would be absolutely terrified for my daughter's safety and begging him to take her for a couple of weeks. I wouldn't be thinking about the fact that the situation COULD be going on for months, I would be too busy thinking about the fact that we are supposedly two weeks behind Italy so about to go through a highly dangerous stage in the pandemic RIGHT NOW. Things could be reviewed every few weeks but seriously, she is so obviously safer there right now!

It's so cynical and tone deaf to how serious the situation is right now to say the only reason he could possibly be doing this is for money. It's far more likely he's panicked about his daughter's safety at OPs, which frankly, he's right to do. Given that OP thinks it's being driven by his partner, they are probably also panicking about them and their other child being exposed to it through her visits. Which, sure, they could stop seeing her for the foreseeable instead to avoid that risk, but that doesn't address the elephant in the room... which is that they are right and DD would also be much safer with them, so that is the best and most logical place for her to be staying. By all means, keep her with you for the whole time instead because you would miss her too much, but I really cant believe how blase you are about your risk level. I would consider it a near inevitability that she would be getting it, if exposed to you and your partner during the next few weeks.

Unless she has expressed distress being there (which you haven't mentioned?), why not just let her stay there during this very imminent peak in cases and deaths?

Willyoujustbequiet · 29/03/2020 10:31

Good luck OP. I have an awful feeling you will need it.
When this is all over please consider applying to court to have arrangements formalised.

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 10:32

She has shown distress by phoning me this morning and crying her eyes out @aSofaNearYou

From what I understand ex was in the garden when he spoke to me on the phone this morning and it's unlikely that DD heard the row. Ex has obviously told her she can't see me for a while and it's upset her, and quite rightly so.

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aSofaNearYou · 29/03/2020 10:37

Yes cross posted, I just saw that. But you are still being incredibly blinkered. What about all the other things I said? Of course she's upset about not seeing you, would she be upset about not seeing her dad? Because not seeing people is the sacrifice we are all having to make to stay safe.

What if it was just the next few weeks (as cases are expected to rise dramatically) that she couldn't see you? Would you rather she get Covid than be homesick for a few weeks?

Soontobe60 · 29/03/2020 10:39

You ARE more likely to catch the virus though. Also, who will look after your DD when you are working? There is the added risk of you catching the virus from your DH or DD and taking it into work. Is your younger child going to childcare when you work?
I can see why you'd be upset, but I can see your exs POv too.

Beatricekiddo27 · 29/03/2020 10:40

Some truly horrible comments on here but I can't say I'm surprised.

I can only imagine the upset and anxiety this is causing you. It sounds to me like you've been too accommodating for too long and now the new partner thinks you'll roll over and put up with whatever she decides. You're the mother, it should be down to you and her father to decide. I would be crushed if my dc father did this and I had no idea when I'd next see them.

I do see some of the logic behind their augment but it's wrong of them to keep saying she's coming back then change it.

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 10:41

Of course I don't want any of my children or family catching COVID-19 and I think that's a ridiculous assumption to make. I've already made the sacrifice and told her dad he can keep her for another week (which is longer than usual) but that wasn't good enough. How do we know this won't go on for months? Does that mean I just won't see my daughter until then? How do you think that will make her feel?

OP posts:
Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 10:44

Me and my partner work opposite shifts so there is always someone home with the kids @Soontobe60. My youngest is only 2 and as I only work part time there's never been any need for child care.

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Ponoka7 · 29/03/2020 10:44

@TippledPink, they did for my DD, they returned my GC to their usual place of residence. It isn't just about PR, however it's made more complicated because there's no school attendance needed.

What the ex is doing is emotional harm.

ElsieMc · 29/03/2020 10:47

Cheeseplease - Paying for dance lessons cannot ever compensate for regular monthly child support payments. CMS are poor, I know from bitter experience, but they are all the child has. The level of Child support is a minimum payment for any child. A parent can of course choose to pay extras for school trips, uniform etc. Honestly op, whilst it is certainly not about money here, you need to use the online CMS calculator when matters settle down. If nothing else, it provides a level of financial certainty for your child. Yes, it will rock the boat but he is taking advantage of your compliance which you are doing for the sake of your child.

Again, weekend contact. Eow is the norm with some time midweek. Your ex is criticising your work arrangements due to potential risk, but he chooses to work away during the week doesn't he? That is his problem, not yours. What germs does he bring home?

Sadly, the current situation has exposed areas of disagreement within your arrangements. It does show you need a more stringent framework in place. Why should your ex have all the free weekend time?

I am sorry it has caused upset to your dd but the comments of previous posters relating to your risk to your dd would apply to all of those key workers in the NHS with children wouldn't it?

Yesmate · 29/03/2020 10:47

Hope she is ok when she is back home with you OP

WhittlingIhopMonkey · 29/03/2020 10:49

Theres an identical thread trending but it's the mum who wants to keep the kids cos the dad is a key worker and all the replies are shes right to do it., he can Skype his kids until this is over etc. Amazing how different the responses are when the dad wants to keep the kids Angry

GetOffYourHighHorse · 29/03/2020 10:54

'Amazing how different the responses are when the dad wants to keep the kids'

This is different. The DD was on a weekend visit and the nrp decided to keep her. Don't you see the resident parent should be involved in a plan before the nrp just decides?!

AmelieTaylor · 29/03/2020 10:55

I’m glad you’re picking her up. Let us know when you have her. Poor kid wants her Mum!

She’d only be going back there if she really wanted to as well otherwise she’d be staying with me.

Italiangreyhound · 29/03/2020 10:57

@Newyorkcitybaby. Good luck. Please tell us how you get on.

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