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AIBU?

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In thinking that my ex and his partner are being extremely awkward during COVID 19?

189 replies

Newyorkcitybaby · 28/03/2020 21:26

Generally get on with my ex and his partner. We’ve been split for around 7 years and share DD age 8 together. Both moved on, he and his partner have a son together and me and my partner have a daughter as well. All very amicable, until tonight. We’ve had a huge disagreement.

They normally have DD every weekend during term time (not my choice but ex works away during the week so it’s the only time he gets to see her) and then every other week during the holidays. DD has been at their house for over a week now and was suppose to be coming back home today. I didn’t get to spend Mother’s Day with her (which was crap) but I reluctantly agreed to it as I thought that she’d be home today.

I spoke to his partner last night and she asked me if they could keep her for the foreseeable future, until all this blows over. I voiced my concerns and explained that wouldn’t really work for us as it could mean we might not see DD for months (god knows how long this will go on for). She said that was fine and that she’d leave it up to me and my ex to discuss as it wasn’t really her place to say anything (not sure why she mentioned it in the first place then?). Fast forward to today and I’ve received a text from my ex basically saying the same thing, which leads me to believe it’s his partner using his phone. The tone of the message also comes across quite aggressive/rude which isn’t really like him either. He’s normally a very laid back person as where she tends to be quite abrupt.

They’ve again asked if they can keep DD for the foreseeable future until COVID-19 is over and there argument is based on the fact that I work in a nursing home 2 days a week. I’ve tried to reassure them that we all wear PPE and disinfect the place 24/7, it is absolutely spotless. The residents are also not allowed visitors in at the moment and it has been that way since all this began. I’ve also explained that there is probably more of a chance of them contracting the virus from going to the supermarket/out on a walk as a family but they just won’t accept it. Anyone can catch the virus, just because I work in a home doesn’t necessarily mean I will catch the virus. I absolutely take this seriously (as does the rest of my family - we have been washing hands thoroughly, staying at home unless going to work) but IMO his partner has gone absolutely OTT, she is definitely one of the panic buyers that you see in the shops.

I’ve tried to compromise and have even suggested that they have her for two weeks, we have her for two weeks and so on, in order to minimise the going “back and fourth”. Ex has now replied stating that they will keep her for another two weeks (even though they have had her for a week already) meaning I won’t get to see my daughter for 3 weeks. I asked them how would they feel if they couldn’t see DD for over a month and they haven’t responded. My youngest DD misses her big sister too so it would be nice for them to spend some time together. I’m not normally one to argue and I absolutely hate confrontation. I tend to just let them have their way as it makes for an easier life, plus I want DD to have a good relationship with her dad, but AIBU in thinking that their being bloody awkward and just want it “their” way?

(I know I have every right to go and pick my daughter up but I would rather it not get to that stage). I am trying to come up with a solution that works for both of us but also keeps DD safe.

What do you guys think?

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Willyoujustbequiet · 29/03/2020 08:50

Sorry but she sounds safer where she is.

And the current guidance from the head of the family court would make it extremely difficult to get her back in the circumstances.

blackberrysoup · 29/03/2020 08:55

Get legal advice. Sounds like kidnapping to me

It's not kidnapping, she's his daughter and he has PR Confused

StrongMama1989 · 29/03/2020 09:30

Yes he has absolutely no right to tell you your DD isn’t coming home! The government have said that children of separate homes can go between homes! So he’s not got a leg to stand on. Have you told that to him in case they don’t know that??

Staypositivepeople · 29/03/2020 09:30

Personally I would be in my car already driving to get my dd
Don’t know why you are fanning about on here ,go and get her
Your being walked on with him having her every weekend,that’s rediculous
After this virus is over get this to court ,so he has her every other weekend,you need down time to do fun things with her as well
And he dam well should be paying maintenance
You need this set out by the courts so he can’t just keep her when he feels like it
You are being far to nice / push over
Get her home today

Staypositivepeople · 29/03/2020 09:32

I also think it is a ploy to claim tax credits and child benefits,and the longer they keep her the more chance they have to a successful claim
Go and get her now

fuckinghellthisshit · 29/03/2020 09:37

Go and get her.

Whoareyoudududu · 29/03/2020 09:42

You’re the RP so they can’t just refuse to hand her back after his access time for what potentially could be months! How ludicrous. Go and collect her.

Whoareyoudududu · 29/03/2020 09:43

It's not kidnapping, she's his daughter and he has PR

He isn’t the RP so actually if he refuses to hand her back to the RP, it is kidnap.

ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal · 29/03/2020 09:43

We aren't going to see my dsc for 3 months because they're in isolation as a vulnerable category. It's heartbreaking but they're safer where they are, isolating with their mum. We can facetime. You have no more or less right to have her with you and it certainly sounds like your daughter is at far less risk with her father. Love the way you and others assume the stepmum is trying to rock the boat and/or steal the child benefit after so many years of an amicable relationship, does that really seem likely? More like she's trying to keep your dd and her own child safe.

Put the shoe on the other foot. Say you don't work but both your ex and his wife are key workers, going out to work shifts. Would you still say that it's fine for her to go to her dads or would you rather she stayed with you to minimise the risk?

netstaller · 29/03/2020 09:43

Absolutely do not be a walk over and stand strong OP, there are times to compromise but this isn't one of them. Travel between parents houses is classed as essential travel and you are going to have to be uncharacteristically strong to settle this and be willing to confront. Text back and say you will be picking daughter up at x time and if she is not returned to you you will have no choice but to begin court proceeding, including cms payments. Relations have been good so far but not seeing your daughter indefinitely Is a red line you will not cross and failure to return her will end the amicable relationship you've worked to build. They're playing hardball so you need to squash this before they try and get main residency ect. No more trying to compromise. Good luck and do not take any excuses! X

Ponoka7 · 29/03/2020 09:44

She normally resides with you, go and get her, or you've given permission for her to stay with them, indefinitely.

We aren't curing the virus by staying in, we are delaying getting it, in large numbers. We will have beds over the next week and children who are healthy, aren't at great risk, anymore than from Flu, chicken pox etc.

As soon as we start to mix and people start to travel, we will have another wave. Posters on other threads intend to go on holiday in July, if they can, even to non EEU countries. Unless we develop a vaccine it will remain a threat to us. People don't seem to be understanding that.

They can't have her 'until this is over' because in reality it might never be. It's behaving like other corona viruses and we don't become immune to them, indefinitely.

You haven't got a court order, but your house is her place of residence. The Police will get involved. Children's mental health is more important as them getting a mild illness.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 29/03/2020 09:46

Ring him op, say you understand his concerns but she lives with you full time and will be coming home. If they are worried about her being a higher risk to return to theirs for weekends then explain this to your dd and the weekend visits can be put on hold for now.

Of course everyone has concerns at the moment but a nrp does not just decide they are changing a plan without a full and fair discussion. Don't let them push you about.

Quartz2208 · 29/03/2020 09:47

He has every weekend and pays no maintenance - he has been playing you for awhile
Go and get her

LuluBellaBlue · 29/03/2020 09:47

Im really confused, I’ve read several other threads clearly from mothers saying, ex is still working but wants to see child - can I stop him seeing the child as we are all self isolating and everyone agrees and says to stop all contact for now.

Yet here we have a mum and new partner - both who are working, and I’d say your partner in a supermarket is probably quite high risk, the dad and his partner who are not working and self isolating and yet everyone says go pick the child up???

Isn’t the child safer with the family that isn’t working and self isolating??

YgritteSnow · 29/03/2020 09:49

I'd pick her as arranged. Don't blur the lines by offering an extra week. Fine you've got on up till now but now they're moving the goalposts. Contact arrangements are permitted to carry on as usual, even the government says so. Stop asking and offering extra and politely but firmly assert that contact will carry on as arranged and you'll be there at the arranged time to pick her up.

Ponoka7 · 29/03/2020 09:50

ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal, completely different situation if the children themselves are vulnerable. It's then for there well-being.

The OP isn't denying the other non resident parent contact, but she is being denied contact. Or can children suddenly go without seeing their Mother, who is the main carer, for months, with no ill effect?

netstaller · 29/03/2020 09:51

I would also add no court would look favourably on a parent refusing access to the resident parent, given government guidelines travel between parents houses is allowed. They cannot with with hold contact despite their concerns.

LittleDragonGirl · 29/03/2020 09:52

All the people stating nhs and other key workers are ignoring the risk to their children are largely incorrect.
Some (not all and largely those who it is possible for) who are likely to come into contact with Cv have moved out of their family home and into temporary accommodation or their children are staying with relatives to minimise the risk to their own children.
My best friends DH literally speaks to their DS through the front room window for a hour in the evening and via facetime as he works in a hospital and dosent want to increase the risk to either his DW or DS.

Ultimately I see the logic behind your ex's decision and if they are panicking over the virus it makes sense also they could potentially be worried about DD bringing it into their home, as both you and your DP are at high risk of catching it.

It's a bit early to claim they are doing it for the money, unless you are contacted by DWP stating they have put in a request to change the claim, then it's unfair to assume their motives are anything but worry and panic. If they put in a claim to change benefits you are able to deny and rebuff it and they cant do it without your knowledge if the benefit is in your name.

TippledPink · 29/03/2020 09:53

The police WON'T get involved- they both have PR, there is no court order in place. I had this when ex kept our DD- police do not get involved so please will everyone stop advising this.

It sounds like this is being driven by your ex's partner. I would not agree to DD staying there, the more you give the more they will take which sounds like it has always been the case (having her every weekend, not paying maintenance etc). You are the resident parent but you won't be by the end of this and he will likely keep her indefinitely (and I bet he claims maintenance from you). You need to be very careful how you go about this as they could very easily just ignore you and keep her. As you have always got on with ex, you need to think about what you can say to him to make him give her back. Speak to him don't text. Will going in with a tough stance work or would it be better to go softly softly?

Fizzypoo · 29/03/2020 09:54

Why did you not go straight there to collect her?

Fuck the texting back and forth, I'd be on the doorstep with the police if I had to be.

Newyorkcitybaby · 29/03/2020 09:56

Morning all -

Me and ex had a blazing row on the phone this morning. He rang to say he wasn't happy about DD coming home to us today, again I reiterated that I was happy for her to stay there another week but that I wasn't going months on end without seeing my daughter and that if they were that worried about their family contracting the virus through DD from us then she could come home and stay with us until all this blows over. He wasn't happy about that, which I knew he wouldn't be. I asked him to explain to DD why she can't see me for possibly months. About an hour after the phone call, I received a FaceTime call from DD in her bedroom crying and asking to come home.

I'm going to pick her up at 11. There is no chance in hell I'm letting my daughter sob in her bedroom because she thinks she'll never see us again. If it means I have to give up work in order to not bring the virus home, then I will.

Where in my post did I say that ex's partner was doing this to claim benefits? @ChewChewIsMySpiritAnimal

Yes she is a good step mum to my DD and I'm very grateful for that, but I know that DD is afraid to sometimes say no to her requests in fear of upsetting her. If anything it's always been us who have tried to not rock the boat, whilst all they've done is what they want and what works for them.

OP posts:
Fizzypoo · 29/03/2020 09:57

Also having her every weekend is not on, why do you get to do all the shit jobs of school routine and homework ect and they get to have the fun bits of the weekend.

Get your dd back eow and put in child maintenance. This isn't as amicable as you think OP, this is insidious control.

Willyoujustbequiet · 29/03/2020 10:01

There is a lot of incorrect advice on this thread.

From what Ive read there is no court order in place therefore the OP isnt the RP in a legal sense. She can't demand the child's return and with no court order the police wont do anything.

With the current guidance from the head of the family court I think the OP will find it very difficult if Dad digs his heels in unfortunately.

Powerlessstepmum · 29/03/2020 10:03

I think it's really important that your daughter continues to see you. My mother was seriously ill when I was young and was in hospital for several weeks. Everyone thought I was coping fine until I stopped walking, reverting to a much younger version of myself. The fact that the government have specifically made an exception for all children under 18 tells me they take this seriously. Do not allow your ex or his partner to boss you around.
Tell them you're collecting her as normal, turn up and if they won't hand her over, then get a solicitor, your daughter needs you.
And I'd be saying the same whether you were the father or the mother.

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