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AIBU in feeling my mother is off the scale selfish and callous?

201 replies

Kippenbelladonna · 25/03/2020 23:45

My mother doesn’t want us to use my parents’ empty flat to keep ourselves safe during this epidemic. So, the background is as follows: I’m an only child and my son is her only grandchild. I’m a senior clinician in a small specialist inpatient unit and we have already had one confirmed COVID case in the hospital. I must continue to look after patients. My husband is in a high risk category with a probable 10% mortality if he catches COVID. My son is very young, has ADHD and is very exuberant, tactile and therefore a high infection transmission risk. We have no close family and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to look after our child with the risk to them of catching COVID if both of us fall ill. We live in the epicentre of the epidemic in the UK. My parents are safely self isolating in a European country with better medical resources and they will not return to the UK until this epidemic is well over. My mother is very concerned about their health and was sending me media updates regularly, well before we approached lockdown, so she is not in denial with regards to the risks, certainly not when it comes to her own well being. We started a major house renovation project two months ago and she made it clear we could not use their flat, which is within walking distance of our house, during the project and should find temporary accommodation. We have been perfectly comfortable at home and I was happy with my decision to stay in the house and felt no need to move out. There’s less space due to boxes, risk from scaffolding etc but whilst my son was out all day when the workmen were in the house and the risk of COVID was low, we were all fine. Now, the risk of cross infection with a young tactile child at home 24/7 is high. When I told her we needed to use her flat as my husband and son now needed to self isolate together, to keep us safe as a family, her immediate response was “my flat will be wrecked, it’s an invasion of my privacy and I don’t want anyone sleeping in my bed”. I was so shocked by her response I put the phone down on her. Over the years and from a young age I have supported my parents through their respective mental health problems, serious physical illnesses and even supported them financially, when I was in my 20s and now they would be considered wealthy by almost anyone’s standards. I know if the tables were turned, my mother would absolutely demand to use our property and consider it her right to do so. Yet her response was also to say “what are other families doing?” When I told her that in Italy clinicians and members of their families were dying, which she well knows as she’s glued to the news, she chose to ignore what I said rather than being glad she could offer support to keep us safe.
So I haven’t spoken to her for a week and she text me today to say that on no account should I allow my cleaner to go to her flat as she’s got a lot of expensive jewellery. Clearly she’s more interested in her possessions than she is about how we are all coping as a family and whether we even have enough food to eat! I’m physically and emotionally exhausted by everything I’ve had to cope with over the last fortnight.
Am I being unreasonable to think this is not how a loving mother should react to this scenario? Does anyone else out there have a mother like mine?? I need some perspective!

OP posts:
greathat · 26/03/2020 08:31

Just use it. I think your relationship is FUBARd anyway after she's said that to you in your time of need

Sceptre86 · 26/03/2020 08:32

I would message her back saying I was cutting all contact and that she could bugger off. I would then block her number but I can be cold like that. My mother is heaven sent, we were supposed to be going to hers for a week and she had bought the kids snacks and portioned off meat for their meals. Unfortunately we had to cancel as it became clear we had to stay at home. She would do anything for me and I her, even more so for her grandkids who she is obsessed with. I really feel for you as I just can't imagine behaviour like this.Flowers

Ukholidaysaregreat · 26/03/2020 08:32

Just go to your Mother's flat. From the reading of the follow up text I think she has assumed you have gone and doesn't want you to send your cleaner round. I would read it as disgruntled acceptance.

SylvanianFrenemies · 26/03/2020 08:32

Oh, and you can't go back to her flat during lockdown if you aren't living there.

brassbrass · 26/03/2020 08:51

What is the point of the relationship with her? She doesn't care about any of you.

NymphadoraBonks · 26/03/2020 08:56

She’s definitely got a sex swing in there.

MitziK · 26/03/2020 09:01

Mine would have said exactly the same.

Mind you, after a while, there's a bloody good chance that somebody will break into such a flat, as it's going to be obvious that it's empty. Shame nobody's there to make sure that doesn't happen.

DarklyDreamingDexter · 26/03/2020 09:06

Use the flat anyway and cut off contact with this selfish cow. Don’t help her in future on anything - what goes around, comes around. This crisis is showing some people’s true colours.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 26/03/2020 09:06

Maybe you should have asked, rather than "told her you needed"

SchadenfreudePersonified · 26/03/2020 09:08

I didn't take the "I don't want your cleaner there" as tacit consent.

I took it as another excuse for not letting OP use the flat - "If you come you'll also have a cleaner and I have expensive jewellery and all cleaners have sticky fingers."

Your mother is awful - use the flat.

Theresnobslikeshowb · 26/03/2020 09:13

Use it. Deal with the fall out later. If she wants to cut contact etc, tells you all you need to need about how much she cares for your families safety.

larrygrylls · 26/03/2020 09:13

Couldn’t you stop the renovations as soon as they are made safe?

Is it essential to have builders working in your house right now?

Otherwise, your mother does seem very harsh.

JudyCoolibar · 26/03/2020 09:24

Couldn’t you stop the renovations as soon as they are made safe?

That's irrelevant, isn't it? Stopping the renovations won't solve the problem that OP needs to live separately from her husband and child.

JudyCoolibar · 26/03/2020 09:26

Oh, and you can't go back to her flat during lockdown if you aren't living there.

There is no reason whatsoever why OP shouldn't, and every reason why she shouldn't go back to her house.

larrygrylls · 26/03/2020 09:27

Judy,

The OP says she is concerned about cross infection from the builders to her son, so very relevant.

firesong · 26/03/2020 09:32

You might not be "entitled" to use her home but any caring mother would want you to. Shocking

JudyCoolibar · 26/03/2020 09:32

larrygrylls - but she says "when the workmen were in the house". That indicates that they're not coming now.

pallasathena · 26/03/2020 09:35

I don't think you're helping yourself by making demands expressed through command type statements to your mother and assuming that your needs are the only needs that are relevant.
Putting the phone down on her also smacks of anger at not getting your own way and an assumption that your needs are the only needs relevant currently.

larrygrylls · 26/03/2020 09:37

Judy,

We can argue about accurately parsing the sentence but I believe she meant that when the workmen were coming (Boolean AND or the intercept in the Venn diagram) her child was at school, he was safe. Now that the work men are still coming BUT her child is still at home, there is a risk of cross infection. What cross infection risk do you believe she was talking about?

Of course, the OP could clear this up but she is probably busy right now!

Kippenbelladonna · 26/03/2020 17:18

Thank you for your responses everyone. So just to clarify a few points:
The building works are a bit of a red herring. My parents clearly stated they did not want us to use their flat when we were having the work done. My mother kept on pushing me to rent another property and I was adamant it wasn’t necessary or desirable and I’m very glad we didn’t for many reasons. We have been comfortable and I couldn’t have project managed effectively if I wasn’t on site. I thought her stance lacked generosity as I would have been happy for my adult child to use my flat for a brief period if necessary. However, I understood her view, as they wanted to come and go as they please and respected it fully. They are dual nationals, live in two countries and would not usually be out of the UK longer than a couple of months at a time.
No one anticipated this crisis and I thought it would pass just like SARS and the bird flu did. If we were not in the middle of building works, for safety I would still want to live separately to my DH and DS for the reasons given. Main risk is my DH potentially dying or both of us being ill simultaneously and no one being around and willing to look after our DS. If we weren’t in the middle of the project, I would have moved into my parents’ flat rather than my DH and DS.
Yes, I agree that I need to make our house as safe as possible and not put anyone at risk. The builders are on the roof and the job will clearly need to stop as they won’t be able to break into the house to build the staircase etc. That’s all secondary to the issue, which was my mother’s nasty reaction to me explaining why I felt we needed to use her flat. It was her response of immediately thinking about her property and herself, which stunned me rather than her immediately thinking “gosh this is serious now and of course you all need to be safe”, or something along those lines!

I have always had the keys to the flat as they expect me to visit weekly, check post, deal with any issues that arise etc. My DH and DC moved in on Sunday. She would have done the same if she was in my position. I have done so much for them over the years and right now I don’t give a toss what they think as my priority is the safety of my family. Of course I visit the flat daily but only to drop off things and food they need. I just put it in the lift and don’t go up. If I did my DS would rush to hug me and the whole point is to keep our distance, so we just FT during the day. There is no way my DH can shop safely with DS in tow but I’m not sure how long we can realistically manage like this. My DH has to juggle conference calls while looking after our DS but as everyone on the other end is in a similar position he’s been muddling through!

Of course we are respectful in all other regards. My parents have separate bedrooms and bathrooms so no one is using hers. My DS is sleeping in his travel bed on the floor next to my DH and of course I would never have my cleaner at her house when she doesn’t know or trust her. My cleaner has stopped coming to me anyway as it’s not safe for either of us since Tuesday. My mother text me this morning asking whether I had done a couple of things for her, ordered medication, posted an amazon delivery, to which I replied that I had. Her needs are foremost in her mind. She clearly feels aggrieved and the injured party and didn’t bother to ask me how we are all doing. I will continue to do basic stuff they ask me to do but I just don’t want to have a relationship with them anymore. My Dad is a lot kinder but I’m just sick of the way I’m treated and I just can’t respect someone who is intrinsically mean and self centred. I just can’t ignore the reality of what she really is anymore.

OP posts:
Rinsefirst · 26/03/2020 17:29

I doubt she will fly home any time soon.
OP you’ve done the right thing.
Use your precious time off thinking about anyone but her and don’t do the weekly updates . Your job and family commitments have pushed her demands off your list.

mbosnz · 26/03/2020 17:29

I'd be stopping doing any damned thing for that cold entitled, self absorbed, grade A BITCH.

Sorry to be so rude about your mother OP, but that is completely and utterly beyond the pale.

That would be immediate cut-off, never talking to her again, please don't bother to have anyone contact me when you snuff it, you cow, territory.

ginghamstarfish · 26/03/2020 17:38

I think that would be enough for me to give up contact if she was my mother, she sounds like a selfish cow given the situation. Assuming you have a key to this flat (I guess she wants you to keep an eye on it), put it through the letterbox or even post it back to her, and that's that. You can do without someone like her in your life.

AbsinthedelaBonchance · 26/03/2020 17:38

Interested to find what criminal offence anyone thinks the OP would be committing? It's not burglary ( no intent to steal, rape or commit criminal damage)- at the most she could be charged with abstracting electricity. Locally the CJ system is dealing with urgent cases only and this would not be one - can't imagine police or us allowing it to get to court. Might be possible for mother to take civil action - but I imagine a) civil courts are in a worse state than we are b) mother would not fancy the publicity c) mother would have no actual damages

Cohle · 26/03/2020 21:17

Interested to find what criminal offence anyone thinks the OP would be committing?

S.4 of the Vagrancy Act 1824 (Being found on enclosed premises for an unlawful purpose) is commonly used in these scenarios.