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AIBU in feeling my mother is off the scale selfish and callous?

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Kippenbelladonna · 25/03/2020 23:45

My mother doesn’t want us to use my parents’ empty flat to keep ourselves safe during this epidemic. So, the background is as follows: I’m an only child and my son is her only grandchild. I’m a senior clinician in a small specialist inpatient unit and we have already had one confirmed COVID case in the hospital. I must continue to look after patients. My husband is in a high risk category with a probable 10% mortality if he catches COVID. My son is very young, has ADHD and is very exuberant, tactile and therefore a high infection transmission risk. We have no close family and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to look after our child with the risk to them of catching COVID if both of us fall ill. We live in the epicentre of the epidemic in the UK. My parents are safely self isolating in a European country with better medical resources and they will not return to the UK until this epidemic is well over. My mother is very concerned about their health and was sending me media updates regularly, well before we approached lockdown, so she is not in denial with regards to the risks, certainly not when it comes to her own well being. We started a major house renovation project two months ago and she made it clear we could not use their flat, which is within walking distance of our house, during the project and should find temporary accommodation. We have been perfectly comfortable at home and I was happy with my decision to stay in the house and felt no need to move out. There’s less space due to boxes, risk from scaffolding etc but whilst my son was out all day when the workmen were in the house and the risk of COVID was low, we were all fine. Now, the risk of cross infection with a young tactile child at home 24/7 is high. When I told her we needed to use her flat as my husband and son now needed to self isolate together, to keep us safe as a family, her immediate response was “my flat will be wrecked, it’s an invasion of my privacy and I don’t want anyone sleeping in my bed”. I was so shocked by her response I put the phone down on her. Over the years and from a young age I have supported my parents through their respective mental health problems, serious physical illnesses and even supported them financially, when I was in my 20s and now they would be considered wealthy by almost anyone’s standards. I know if the tables were turned, my mother would absolutely demand to use our property and consider it her right to do so. Yet her response was also to say “what are other families doing?” When I told her that in Italy clinicians and members of their families were dying, which she well knows as she’s glued to the news, she chose to ignore what I said rather than being glad she could offer support to keep us safe.
So I haven’t spoken to her for a week and she text me today to say that on no account should I allow my cleaner to go to her flat as she’s got a lot of expensive jewellery. Clearly she’s more interested in her possessions than she is about how we are all coping as a family and whether we even have enough food to eat! I’m physically and emotionally exhausted by everything I’ve had to cope with over the last fortnight.
Am I being unreasonable to think this is not how a loving mother should react to this scenario? Does anyone else out there have a mother like mine?? I need some perspective!

OP posts:
AnyOldSpartabix · 26/03/2020 06:01

Oh and having re-read your OP, no your mother is not normal. Mine would give the clothes off her back for me or my children and yours is prioritising something she doesn’t even need (the flat) which can be easily fixed, even if damage does occur.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 26/03/2020 06:09

Do you have a.key?. If so use the flat . Do not even tell her. Just do it,

Use the flat.

Let her rant as much as she wants in 3,4,5 months time.

When she comes back, claim squatters rights and refuse to vacate the property (Not really, though I'd love to see her face!)

But seriously, use it. You can concentrate on your own essential task much better if you know your family is safe.

Just move all of her valuables/breakables into one room don't let your child in, then get on with it.

theydontlikeitupem · 26/03/2020 06:11

Do you have a.key?. If so use the flat . Do not even tell her. Just do it

This is what I would do.

NotEverythingIsBlackandwhite · 26/03/2020 06:14

When I told her we needed to use her flat
Maybe you should have asked her rather than telling her?

I was so shocked by her response I put the phone down on her
Just because she said she doesn't want you there, there is no need for you to have been so rude to her as to hang up on her.

whilst my son was out all day when the workmen were in the house and the risk of COVID was low, we were all fine. Now, the risk of cross infection with a young tactile child at home 24/7 is high
Are you saying that you still have workmen coming in at present undertaking the renovation work. If so, YABVU, in subjecting those workmen to the possibility of being contaminated by you, given that you are a HCP.
That doesn't mean you are entitled to use your mother's home and possibly contaminate surfaces in there. It means you should stop having the workmen come into your home until this situation is over. Thoroughly clean the surfaces in your own home and stay there as a family unit.

Why would you even think to go to another's home, irrespective of your relationship, when your role makes you at greater risk of passing the virus or other germs from work onto surfaces there?

Your Mum did make it clear 2 months ago that you couldn't use her flat and she has a right to expect her decision to be respected.

Bluntness100 · 26/03/2020 06:16

What do you mean about the cleaner, are you all in the flat, seems a big chunk of this missing, why is there expensive jewellery in an empty flat? Are you still having workmen in when your husband is high risk? Why are you doing this? This makes no sense at all.

AnyOldSpartabix · 26/03/2020 06:17

Your Mum did make it clear 2 months ago that you couldn't use her flat and she has a right to expect her decision to be respected.

A grandmother who would rather put her granchild at risk than allow her daughter to use empty property?

No respect deserved.

Henrysmycat · 26/03/2020 06:18

@UseByDateExpired even if your flat was jammed packed with precious antiques and priceless jewellery, I’d still want my child and grandchild to be safe and healthy.
By the end of the day, having MY family alive and well, trumps even the safety of the Mona Lisa. For me at least.
I’d use the flat. I won’t tell her and cut her off after that. You were unlucky when you got her as a mother. I’m so sorry.
Thank you for the work you put to keep us all safe, OP. I’m eternally grateful. Flowers

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 26/03/2020 06:50

I would use the flat, clean it thoroughly and never speak to her again.

malificent7 · 26/03/2020 06:54

Yanbu...i'd go no contact from now on. No she's not entitled to let you stay but what mother wouldnt jump at the chance to keep her children safe? What a weirdo!

gavisconismyfriend · 26/03/2020 06:56

Insurance usually requires someone at least go into a property every 30 days, minimum. If no-one is living in the flat, visiting it would be a non-essential journey, so you couldn’t possibly do that.... Therefore her insurance will be void. I wonder how she’d feel about the thought of having no insurance if there was an issue such as a leak? Perhaps if she saw people staying there as being to her financial gain/security she might view things differently?

mochajoes · 26/03/2020 06:57
  • @mochajoes No one knows when that will be. Which is why I said this is going to take months if not years until we can handle this pandemic. So we don't know if mom will be able to stay in Europe for the whole duration of the pandemic*

Well everyone knows it will be at least months. In the hypothetical situation that the mum can fly when travel is prohibited then the op can clean the flat a few days before she arrives. That's in the unlikely event that the building work hasn't been completed & the op hasn't already gone.

what makes you think her parents will need that type of help?

So hypothetical arguments are only valid when you are making them?

NiteFlights · 26/03/2020 07:00

What pallisers said.
My God your mother sounds horrendous. I would move heaven and earth to make other isolation arrangements, send back the key, and block contact with her.
Flowers for you OP.

AnaphylacticAnnabelle · 26/03/2020 07:06

I'd say she's got stuff she doesn't want you to see. Paper work or 'toys'. Or it's a mess.

damnthatanxiety · 26/03/2020 07:09

As people have said on here you aren't "entitled" to use her flat. But she isn't "entitled" to a relationship with you or support from you in the future.

This would be it for me tbh. She is horrible. I have adult children and the idea of behaving like you describe your mother ... words fail me. You reap what you sow. Just drop her OP. no big deal but no more responding to her. give up. She only cares about herself.

totally agree

Lardlizard · 26/03/2020 07:10

What a bitch, just use the flat op
Sod the miserable cow

MsTSwift · 26/03/2020 07:10

God what’s wrong with her?!

AllTheIceCream · 26/03/2020 07:11

Use the flat.
Fuck them.
If you want to be really, really nice, move yourself in rather thsn your tornado DC Grin

Desperate times call for desperate measures, right?

VettiyaIruken · 26/03/2020 07:11

Well, it's her property and she has the right to say no.
However, imo that makes her a bloody awful person.
You mention her instruction about the cleaner. Do you manage the flat for her? If so, I seriously suggest you post the key to your mum, tell her you will no longer do anything regarding the flat and mean it.

She wants to be selfish, fine. But she doesn't get to demand or expect your help too.

JourneyToThePlacentaOfTheEarth · 26/03/2020 07:11

I'd have nothing to do with her ever again OP.

NewYearNewJob123 · 26/03/2020 07:13

You're a clinician working with patients every day and will continue to do so but you want to use your Mums flat to avoid the men working in your house?

Palavah · 26/03/2020 07:15

I can't help thinking there's a backstory here.

Why would you be letting your cleaner into her flat? (she said she didn't want you to).

Have you got a key? Have you been visiting the flat to check it?

Ideally you'd use one of the air bnbs that are being offered for free or near free for NHS workers.

However, if that's not possible then I would be staying in the flat and having it deep cleaned afterwards. I would then be going non contact with mother.

middleager · 26/03/2020 07:15

I'm so sorry your mother is behaving like this.

JudyCoolibar · 26/03/2020 07:16

what if the fallout includes criminal charges and jail time?

What criminal charges? OP doesn't have to break in, and trespass isn't a criminal offence.

BrowncoatWaffles · 26/03/2020 07:16

You're a clinician working with patients every day and will continue to do so but you want to use your Mums flat to avoid the men working in your house?

I read it as she wanted to protect her vulnerable DH and DS from her bringing it home to them.

HillAreas · 26/03/2020 07:18

At least you are off the hook for any future care or help your parents may need. If yours and your family’s health and well-being are not her concern then her health and well being is no longer your concern either.

The old bag will just have to accept that you reap what you sow.