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AIBU in feeling my mother is off the scale selfish and callous?

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Kippenbelladonna · 25/03/2020 23:45

My mother doesn’t want us to use my parents’ empty flat to keep ourselves safe during this epidemic. So, the background is as follows: I’m an only child and my son is her only grandchild. I’m a senior clinician in a small specialist inpatient unit and we have already had one confirmed COVID case in the hospital. I must continue to look after patients. My husband is in a high risk category with a probable 10% mortality if he catches COVID. My son is very young, has ADHD and is very exuberant, tactile and therefore a high infection transmission risk. We have no close family and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to look after our child with the risk to them of catching COVID if both of us fall ill. We live in the epicentre of the epidemic in the UK. My parents are safely self isolating in a European country with better medical resources and they will not return to the UK until this epidemic is well over. My mother is very concerned about their health and was sending me media updates regularly, well before we approached lockdown, so she is not in denial with regards to the risks, certainly not when it comes to her own well being. We started a major house renovation project two months ago and she made it clear we could not use their flat, which is within walking distance of our house, during the project and should find temporary accommodation. We have been perfectly comfortable at home and I was happy with my decision to stay in the house and felt no need to move out. There’s less space due to boxes, risk from scaffolding etc but whilst my son was out all day when the workmen were in the house and the risk of COVID was low, we were all fine. Now, the risk of cross infection with a young tactile child at home 24/7 is high. When I told her we needed to use her flat as my husband and son now needed to self isolate together, to keep us safe as a family, her immediate response was “my flat will be wrecked, it’s an invasion of my privacy and I don’t want anyone sleeping in my bed”. I was so shocked by her response I put the phone down on her. Over the years and from a young age I have supported my parents through their respective mental health problems, serious physical illnesses and even supported them financially, when I was in my 20s and now they would be considered wealthy by almost anyone’s standards. I know if the tables were turned, my mother would absolutely demand to use our property and consider it her right to do so. Yet her response was also to say “what are other families doing?” When I told her that in Italy clinicians and members of their families were dying, which she well knows as she’s glued to the news, she chose to ignore what I said rather than being glad she could offer support to keep us safe.
So I haven’t spoken to her for a week and she text me today to say that on no account should I allow my cleaner to go to her flat as she’s got a lot of expensive jewellery. Clearly she’s more interested in her possessions than she is about how we are all coping as a family and whether we even have enough food to eat! I’m physically and emotionally exhausted by everything I’ve had to cope with over the last fortnight.
Am I being unreasonable to think this is not how a loving mother should react to this scenario? Does anyone else out there have a mother like mine?? I need some perspective!

OP posts:
Leaannb · 26/03/2020 02:21

@Juscly...Its not misleading. HIN1,H1N2,H3N1,H3N2 and H2N3 are all comsidered Swine Flu. Swine Flu is under Influenza Type A. I agree with everything you say eespecially about H10 N8......However,good luck getting China to do anything they don't want to do. There are no incentives that we could guve them that they would want. We tried with their atrocious Human Rights violations and their even worse Enviromental violations. They don't need what we have to give them. They are their own Superpower in their own right. We are extremely lucky to get any info out of China and you have to ask how much truthful info we actually got from them. Especially with their nasty habit of censorship. People think its over in China when in reality its still going on. They announced 48 new cases yesterday not in Wuhan so their troubles aren't over yet

Thepigeonsarecoming · 26/03/2020 02:28

@Leaannb @justcly as fascinating as your arguments are (and they are!!) this isn’t the place maybe continue in pm? This isn’t answering any of the OPs questions just turned into a scientific debate between you two

Leaannb · 26/03/2020 02:28

@Stoppinby Pointing out that she needs to respect the owner of the property does not mean we are defending her. Her mother is a giantic twat that is a definite. But her twatniness is not a reason to break the law and moving someone in against her mother's wishes IS breaking the law. If her mother is such a twat she would deny her daughter this little bit of help what in the world is stopping her from making her daughter suffer the legal ramifications

Leaannb · 26/03/2020 02:33

@Thepigeonsarecoming I get your point and will respectfully agree with you but please remember I am in the States and it is the PM. Its only 1030pm here and in a few short hours I will be back in a major hospital fighting the same fight as OP. I have the same concerns as OP as far as job and family goes especially with my 80 yo mother living with me and trying to run a care agency in my spare time.

Thepigeonsarecoming · 26/03/2020 02:38

@Leaannb I do respect that a lot!! Thank you for doing all you are. Maybe start your own thread for this discussion? Many people, including me will be fascinated by it. But this isn’t the place as it’s not answering the OPs post

Thepigeonsarecoming · 26/03/2020 02:40

And by pm I meant private message!

Leaannb · 26/03/2020 02:44

@thepigeonsarecoming I get that now. We use the term direct messenger. I do apologize for the assumption of meaning the nighttime

Harakeke · 26/03/2020 02:45

OP YANBU. Do what you have to do to keep your DH safe. I would. Your mum sounds hugely selfish.

@Leaannb YABU to hijack the thread.

Thepigeonsarecoming · 26/03/2020 02:46

No problem @leaannb. Do start your own thread through, you do seem very knowledgeable, I’m sure lots would appreciate it

bobbiester · 26/03/2020 02:55

In the.UK trespass is not generally a criminal matter (i.e. not "criminal activity" as one poster described it). This is why owners have to go through such protracted legal proceedings to get someone to move out of a property.

Unless the OP's parents are members of the Royal Family then she is not going to be committing a "crime" by sleeping in a flat which she has been given a key for.

pallisers · 26/03/2020 02:59

@EmeraldShamrock Can I move into your home without your expressed approval? What about when you have already told me no? Of course not.Just because OP is talking about her mom does not mean she has carte blanche to use her mother's property without her permission. Her mother told her months ago her home was off limits. That needs to be respected.

yes and the mother deserves the consequenes of her edict. I certainly would have little to do with my mother if she demanded I respect her edicts about her property at the risk of harm to me, my son and my husband.

So yeah - respect this woman's rules. And respect that you owe her nothing and she has not behaved like a mother or family would.

This would be it for me tbh if my mother behaved like this. I can't even imagine it though.

Leaannb · 26/03/2020 03:09

@pallisers Mom most definitely deserves never seeing her daughter and grandchild again. Cut out with a swift and heavy hand. Couldn't agree more

justcly · 26/03/2020 03:22

Apologies, people, for the scientific thread hijacking. I'm off to bed now, but if anyone does want to start a thread, I will happily contribute if I can flaming find it in 8 hours time tomorrow.

KTheGrey · 26/03/2020 03:33

Use the flat - by the time she finds out (if she does) it will be academic and you can get it deep cleaned if necessary. Take photos before you touch anything and deny deny deny.

Europe's in lockdown and you are working to contribute while your mother has the chance to help and would rather not. Hmm Health trumps preciousness about her flat.

Also - do you not think she's going to believe you used it / are already using it anyway, judging by the jewellery instruction?

Hopeisnotastrategy · 26/03/2020 03:43

*Unless OP’s parents are members of the royal family..”

Oh, wouldn’t that be wonderful? A recent poster did suggest that Anyfucker might be the Duchess of Cambridge.... 😂

CSIblonde · 26/03/2020 03:52

Wow. Breathtakingly selfish. I'd email her saying the key is in a padded envelope in the post on its way back to her & you've cancelled the cleaner . Then I really wouldn't bother any more.

LittleLittleLittle · 26/03/2020 04:30

“my flat will be wrecked, it’s an invasion of my privacy and I don’t want anyone sleeping in my bed”.

Does she think you and your family are messy? She should have simply given you instructions on where to move her most precious things and then dealt with the fall-out after this crisis was over.

Anyway, she clearly doesn't love you and her grandson enough to do this. (She doesn't have to love your husband as he isn't blood-related to her.) I would start distancing yourself and your son from her, and spend your time with other people who care for you all.

slipperywhensparticus · 26/03/2020 04:38

I would respond I've no intention of letting my cleaner into your flat now or ever I've posted your keys to you please respect my wishes and leave me alone

Incontinencesucks · 26/03/2020 04:49

Don't use her flat but equally do nothing for her. Text her back, i suggest you liaise with the cleaner as it's not my problem.

MumInBrussels · 26/03/2020 04:50

Your mother is a complete cow. I don't think you can just use the flat anyway, as some have suggested, but I'd find this impossible to forgive and would cut off future contact. If she doesn't care enough about you to do something that would significantly help you and which has absolutely no risk to her or impact on her, given that she's out of the country, then she doesn't deserve any further role in your life. Especially not since she only seems to make it harder at the best of times. Stop helping her out, don't go near her flat, don't send cleaners, don't answer the phone to her. You need to focus on you and your family - she's clearly more than capable of focusing on herself.

UseByDateExpired · 26/03/2020 05:02

The flats of wealthy people may well not be set up for a small child with ADHD, and end up wrecked. Why didn’t you suggest that you stayed in the flat rather than your Ds and DH?

But I am confused: her text implies you are now in the flat?

UseByDateExpired · 26/03/2020 05:08

But yes, she sounds very self absorbed and uncaring.

BramwellBrown · 26/03/2020 05:43

Is her concern your son who has ADHD and is in your words "very exuberant" might wreck her flat? coz I can kind of see that. You are within walking distance so could you stay there alone and leave DS and DH in your house?

MyTwoPence · 26/03/2020 05:43

Sorry if I've missed something but it's not clear to me what you actually suggested - your Ds and DH using the flat or you using the flat and your Ds and DH staying in your own home.

If the latter, sibu if the former, why not the latter that would be much more reasonable a request.

AnyOldSpartabix · 26/03/2020 05:58

Do you have a.key?. If so use the flat . Do not even tell her. Just do it,

To keep my child safe, I would do this. 100%.

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