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AIBU in feeling my mother is off the scale selfish and callous?

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Kippenbelladonna · 25/03/2020 23:45

My mother doesn’t want us to use my parents’ empty flat to keep ourselves safe during this epidemic. So, the background is as follows: I’m an only child and my son is her only grandchild. I’m a senior clinician in a small specialist inpatient unit and we have already had one confirmed COVID case in the hospital. I must continue to look after patients. My husband is in a high risk category with a probable 10% mortality if he catches COVID. My son is very young, has ADHD and is very exuberant, tactile and therefore a high infection transmission risk. We have no close family and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to look after our child with the risk to them of catching COVID if both of us fall ill. We live in the epicentre of the epidemic in the UK. My parents are safely self isolating in a European country with better medical resources and they will not return to the UK until this epidemic is well over. My mother is very concerned about their health and was sending me media updates regularly, well before we approached lockdown, so she is not in denial with regards to the risks, certainly not when it comes to her own well being. We started a major house renovation project two months ago and she made it clear we could not use their flat, which is within walking distance of our house, during the project and should find temporary accommodation. We have been perfectly comfortable at home and I was happy with my decision to stay in the house and felt no need to move out. There’s less space due to boxes, risk from scaffolding etc but whilst my son was out all day when the workmen were in the house and the risk of COVID was low, we were all fine. Now, the risk of cross infection with a young tactile child at home 24/7 is high. When I told her we needed to use her flat as my husband and son now needed to self isolate together, to keep us safe as a family, her immediate response was “my flat will be wrecked, it’s an invasion of my privacy and I don’t want anyone sleeping in my bed”. I was so shocked by her response I put the phone down on her. Over the years and from a young age I have supported my parents through their respective mental health problems, serious physical illnesses and even supported them financially, when I was in my 20s and now they would be considered wealthy by almost anyone’s standards. I know if the tables were turned, my mother would absolutely demand to use our property and consider it her right to do so. Yet her response was also to say “what are other families doing?” When I told her that in Italy clinicians and members of their families were dying, which she well knows as she’s glued to the news, she chose to ignore what I said rather than being glad she could offer support to keep us safe.
So I haven’t spoken to her for a week and she text me today to say that on no account should I allow my cleaner to go to her flat as she’s got a lot of expensive jewellery. Clearly she’s more interested in her possessions than she is about how we are all coping as a family and whether we even have enough food to eat! I’m physically and emotionally exhausted by everything I’ve had to cope with over the last fortnight.
Am I being unreasonable to think this is not how a loving mother should react to this scenario? Does anyone else out there have a mother like mine?? I need some perspective!

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 26/03/2020 07:20

With her comment that she doesn’t want the cleaner there, I think this is implicit consent to use the place. This is the sort of thing my mother has said to me when she means a begrudging yes. She realises you’re angry and she has finally realised she’s very unreasonable.

I would get your dh and ds to move there and go low contact. You’ll be very busy anyway and will have an excuse to not speak much. When you get time, read up on toxic parents. Have you heard of the grey rock technique ? Ie not rising to the bait.

lucy101 · 26/03/2020 07:20

Use the flat and deal with the fallout later. DM will either realise she has been totally unreasonable (not thinking straight, panic, whatever) and will get over it... or she won't and you will go NC anyway. How could you ever get over that level of selfishness otherwise?

Thank you for what you are doing and do what you need to do.

wherethecloudsaregoing · 26/03/2020 07:24

Actually, I don’t know that your mum is wrong, in this at any rate, although it seems she has been very wrong with regard to other things.

I adore my children. I would sacrifice everything for them. I also have an apartment which is a sort of sanctuary and safe space.

I’m not totally sure how comfortable I would be with my daughter, partner and a grandchild in there, and I don’t really understand the issues with the DS that mean he needs to be in a flat, not a house. I’m not being difficult, I genuinely don’t understand.

Of course if they were homeless, or desperately needed to let their house out as an alternative to repossession, they could have it in a heartbeat. I just don’t know I understand the circumstances here.

ShesGotBetteDavisEyes · 26/03/2020 07:30

Another one here wondering if your parents are actually hiding out in the flat but told you they were abroad as they don’t want contact during this time? Either that or there’s something she’s scared of you finding...

I could never have a relationship with my mother after this though. That’d be the final nail in the coffin for me. (My dm is currently letting my nurse dsis live in her empty house as it’s closer to her work).

She doesn’t have any “expensive jewellery” she has things that are valuable to her, but my sisters well-being is more valuable than anything material. As it should be.

Eckhart · 26/03/2020 07:31

LTB - and yes, I do think you can do this even if it's your mother.

She puts the welfare of her flat above the welfare of her child and vulnerable grandchild, when fully aware of the risks. I would never be able to look past this.

Have you asked her in those terms, op? Phrasing the question in a way that makes her feel hideously guilty might be worth a go. But after all this is over - LTB. Sorry.

Speakeasy22 · 26/03/2020 07:32

It's a bit confusing. If your concern is that the builders can bring the infection into your house and it's generally more of a hassle now your child is around, then you have to put the building works on hold. Since you've asked her before about using her flat, it doesn't really sound as if this is all about COVID and you just wanted an easier situation. If your mother doesn't want anyone sleeping in her bed then presumably her flat only has one bedroom? I would help my children in any way I can but she has said no and you have to respect that. Not great that you "told" and didn't even ask.

toomuchtooold · 26/03/2020 07:32

@wherethecloudsaregoing

I don’t really understand the issues with the DS that mean he needs to be in a flat, not a house

I think the issue with DS is that if he catches COVID 19 off of the OP, it will be hard for him not to pass it on to the OP's husband, who is vulnerable. So OP needs to be in one house, and OP's husband and son need to be in another.

wherethecloudsaregoing · 26/03/2020 07:33

I see, in that case YANBU, OP. Thanks, toomuch, bit early for me Grin

BuckingFrolics · 26/03/2020 07:35

The relationship between OP and her DM is fucked whichever way. So I'd use the flat, then expect an almighty fall out later.
The alternative is don't use the flat, and loathe and resent your DM so much that there's an almighty fall out.

I have to admit I'd find the mothers refusal nigh on impossible to forgive.

bumblingbovine49 · 26/03/2020 07:40

@Leaannb
I too have found some of your posts fascinating bit the law re trespass in the UK is not like I'm the US
Op. Just use the flat . I can see why you want to keep your DH as safe as possible. Him being in a house with builders and a key worker as well is a higher risk than I would be happy with too.

lynzpynz · 26/03/2020 07:42

Can you go to the flat instead of DH and DS? Would she accept that easier? Might not be your preferred option but it might placate her. You'll need to cancel any builders coming in if you have them but if safety is your priority then that's what has to happen.

Failing that if, knowing all the background, you feel she would be expecting this of you if the situation was reversed and is being unreasonable then say no-one is going near the flat again, to clean, anything. You're not letting cleaners in etc. or doing any favours regarding access ever again for it (good luck managing that from a different country DM).

Lots of hotels and private rentals are offering free or severely discounted properties for front line workers to isolate in - might be worth having a wee search online for a place for you?

Shiraznowplease · 26/03/2020 07:44

Just bear this all in mind when the tables are turned and she needs you. What your mother has done is inexcusable so please ensure that you excuse yourself when she is old/infirm/ill and needs your help. I am a big believer in your time will come. I have had real problems with my next door neighbour, guess who won’t be receiving my help in all this

Troels · 26/03/2020 07:44

Have you spoken to your father, maybe he doesn't know that she has told you not too use the flat. I'd speak to him and then see what happens. If he is a spinless arse I'd go ahead and just use it. Then if the shit hits the fan, cut her off. She's a terrible mother.

RUOKHon · 26/03/2020 07:46

I’m dying to know what’s in the flat. A sex dungeon? A marijuana farm? A meth lab?

Frenchw1fe · 26/03/2020 07:46

Just use the flat.
Your dm expects you to check it regularly and hide her jewellery so she’s not being consistent.
And when this virus is over and your dm returns tell her to F off.

Sushiroller · 26/03/2020 07:55

Use the flat....deal with mother after and thank you for all you are doingFlowers

This. Or get an airbnb.
I would move heaven and earth to keep my child and hisband safe.)

There sounds like there is serious (unhealthy) backstory... I'd personally be going no contact.

Her behaviour is nothing short of appalling.
This is not how people who care about you behave
(I have to fight my mother to make her let me do her food shop as she is so concerned about keeping everyone safe. Confused)

Anniegetyourgun · 26/03/2020 07:56

I wouldn't advocate using it against her express wishes (disgusting though those wishes may be). If, however, she expects you to keep an eye on it/keep it tidy for her - in these times when non-essential journeys are banned, as a pp rightly pointed out - well, no, she can't have it both ways.

HelgaHere1 · 26/03/2020 07:58

Horrible woman.
What about looking for an air B&B for DH and DS. Somewhere with a garden, can you afford that. A flat doesn't sound great anyway. Or are you going to the flat.

HelgaHere1 · 26/03/2020 08:00

Yes, I know you aren't supposed to do this but OP is a very essential worker.

dottiedodah · 26/03/2020 08:06

She is being very unreasonable here for sure .However You would be in breach of the law if you just rocked up and moved into the flat .You say your Son has ADHD and is "tactile and exuberant"! She may worry about possible damage to her property if he is lively and energetic! I would look at some other options .Her flat is hers to do what she wants with Im afraid !

Frenchw1fe · 26/03/2020 08:09

Oh and remind your dm that after 60 days of no occupancy the house insurance will not be valid.

Frenchw1fe · 26/03/2020 08:19

@NotEverythingIsBlackandwhite. You seem to think everything is black and white.

cooldarkroom · 26/03/2020 08:21

Could you speak to your father?
Remind them of the times you have helped them.
Ask them if the precious flat is more important than your lives?
Tell them the insurance will be invalid
& tell them they are selfish bastards & not to come running to you in their lonely old years/ tho actually you may be dead anyway

CookieDoughKid · 26/03/2020 08:24

Your mum. Sorry but I'd also cut off contact. She's a right selfish XXXX. How you can value property above the lives off your own blood is BEYOND ME.

SylvanianFrenemies · 26/03/2020 08:28

Sorry your mum is such a despicable cunt.

In my area some people are offering empty homes or rooms to NHS workers. Could you see if anything like that us available? Or put it a Facebook/local media appeal.

When you are sorted, make sure your Mum knows a stranger helped in ways she wouldn't.