Conspiracy Theories.

[Midsommar]

AIBU to ask fellow Mumsnetters your favourite conspiracy theories?

Where it be about lizard people, 911 or the Government man-making Coronvirus to kill off the vulnerable, what conspiracy theory sends a chill up your spine?

Sorry if a little dark but I have to admit I love a good conspiracy theory and figured I wouldn't be the only one! Plus I need some bedtime reading...

You can tell yourself that there's no anti-semetism in these conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better. Many racists don't think of themselves as racist.

I assume this is directed at me, in which case you appear to be saying I'm a racist but don't think I am. That is a serious claim to make; can you please provide the evidence or apologise.

I also have never said there is no anti-Semitism in some conspiracy theories but when you say "these" which are you referring to exactly? Those that did not believe Blair and Bush when they told us that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction were accused of talking conspiracy theory. Were those people therefore also anti-Semitic?

From space?

From Alpha Draconis, I believe.

Not sure what Tony Blair has to do with it. Does he have space liard blood too?

Look, this really is getting silly now. You're making conflations at a frantic rate here to justify your earlier comment. If Icke thinks the Protocols are real - and I have no idea either way - that does not make him anti-Semitic. Plenty of scientists believed the Piltdown Man was real but that doesn't mean they're anti-Creationists. Then you say he believes they're real because he also believes an evil cabal of Jews were planning world domination. But you still haven't shown me any evidence that Icke is anti-Semitic, as opposed to being critical about some Zionist activities/beliefs and ditto the State of Israel.

I never said you're racist. But you are defending Ike's promotion of the protocols and claiming that his spouting about Zionists ruling the world and Jewish people not being real isn't anti-semetic. Like RapunzelinQuarantine said, 'it's anti-zionism not anti-semetism' is a very common trope among racists.

I wasn't making the point about Blair in terms of him being a lizard, which I think you know actually. I was countering your apparent claim that all conspiracy theorists are racist.

Look, this really is getting silly now. You're making conflations at a frantic rate here to justify your earlier comment.

You told people to do research. So I did.

Then you say he believes they're real because he also believes an evil cabal of Jews were planning world domination.

Not because, therefore. That is what the protocols say. If he believes the protocols, he believes that.

Anyway, I'm done here. You are justifying anti-Semitism, defending a man who promotes one the most dangerous anti-Semitic texts in history and claiming that he can't possibly be anti-Semitic. He could march through the streets with a swastika flag and his supporters would claim that he, and them, are not anti-Semitic, just anti-zionist.

Anti-Semitism and violence against Jews has been growing in recent years. You are evidence of that.

Actually RapunzelinQurantine didn't say it was a very common trope among racists, he/she said it was "the favourite bleat of white supremacists". These details/distinctions are important.

One thing that is certain is that Icke has been banned by venues acting on the threats/claims made by what appears to be a one-man anti-anti-Semitic organisation. When I wrote to them asking for evidence, they sent me a video montage of Icke - presumably the worst they could find - but there was no specific proof in it at all. Instead, they'd used passages where, for example, Icke talks about the influence of the Rothschilds on world history; or the unfair treatment of Israel on Palestinians. In other words, the case was at the least unclear. And certainly not enough to justify getting events cancelled. I also wrote and spoke to the event venue who could not provide anything at all other than a vague explanation that he'd been complained about.

That, I would suggest, is something to be concerned about.

I haven't studied Sandy Hook and I know some conspiracy theorists say it was a "false flag" event. If you read "The History Thieves" you'll come across several actual, documented false flag events - when a government conspires against its own people. The author doesn't call them that possibly because he's not a conspiracy theorist.

Oh, and by the way, just because there have been false flags in the past does not justify harassing the grieving parents of murdered children. Doing so doesn't make you some warrior of truth fighting the system, it makes you a cunt.

Anti-Semitism and violence against Jews has been growing in recent years. You are evidence of that.

This is what I'm trying to say. On no evidence at all, you claim that I am committing violence against Jews! That is a disgusting claim and one you'd apologise for if you have a conscience. I have not been justifying anti-Semitism; I've been talking about how claims of such can and do result in people having their freedom of speech curtailed. I note too that you like to go to extremes to "prove" your point, e.g. Icke could march down the street with a swastika flag and anyone who's read his work and finds much of it makes sense would claim there's nothing in it. The fact he's never done such a thing is of course irrelevant to you I suspect.

Oh, and by the way, just because there have been false flags in the past does not justify harassing the grieving parents of murdered children. Doing so doesn't make you some warrior of truth fighting the system, it makes you a cunt.

Okay, so now we see your true colours. I did not ever suggest there was justification in harassing grieving parents. I said I haven't studied Sandy Hook. I then went on to say that there have been false flag events in history. Something you appear to agree with. But then you falsely elevate my approach in order to tear it down - 'warrior of truth fighting the system' - concluding this makes me a cunt when it was you who invented the cuntness in the first place. Nice work.

I know someone who has mental health problems who is a conspiracy theorist.
It started with 9/11 (which I can sympathise with), then fake moon landings then flat earth, rochschild world domination and the most appalling anti Semitic conspiracies. These nutters even say there was no holocaust!
It’s disgusting.

FFS I never said you were a cunt or that you're commiting violence. You can't whinge about others putting words in your mouth and do the same.

The increase in violence against Jews and the prevelance of anti-Semetic conspiracy theories are related. And your response to someone stating that Sandy Hooker 'truthers' were doing vole things was to state that well, tehre have been false flags in the past. I didn't say you were harrassing people personally. Fucking Hell.

I hate this fucking site sometimes. Deleting posts left right and centre but letting people spread all sort of bullshit dangerous racist theories. And no, I'm not calling you racist before you get all indignant.

Oh, and by the way, just because there have been false flags in the past does not justify harassing the grieving parents of murdered children. Doing so doesn't make you some warrior of truth fighting the system, it makes you a cunt.

Not sure how else I was supposed to interpret this. And I didn't say "well, there have been false flag events int past" as a response to vile things Sandy Hooker truthers were doing. You have made a false conflation here.

But I'll take your point that you weren't directly calling me anti-Semitic, a racist and a cunt. Just implying it.

As for implying that I'm some warrior for the truth . . . while that is probably an insult, I'll take it at face value and provide my credentials for such a role.

For the past 5 years I have been full-time fighting the government and industry over the fact that they are colluding to the end that every person in the country is being unnecessarily poisoned in their own homes. If you have standard UK sofas and mattresses in your home, this applies to you. I became a whistle-blower over this, was kicked out of my job but refused to stop fighting. Last year, a government select committee agreed with me but the government is refusing to act. I am advisor to the London Fire Brigade on this matter and work closely with Grenfell groups on the same subject. I have not taken a penny for this work and believe me it carries no other rewards either other than knowing you're doing the right thing and meeting some rare amazing people who are trying to do the same thing, almost to a man and woman unknown.

Hmmm....interesting that my last post was deleted....

Let's try an experiment.

1. Madeleine McCann

1. Madeleine McCann
2. Carter Ruck

Not sure if this has been suggested elsewhere but.....

A racist killing by the police was deliberately committed and recorded now to CAUSE the protests, in order to gather large crowds of BAME people together, to deliberately spread COVID amongst the BAME community as they are more likely to die of Covid 19...

Cheaper than powering up mass murder gas chambers...the disproportionately huge numbers of BAME deaths can now be blamed on 'them' not following social distancing....??

Genocide by the back door.

I love the Royal family are lizards and Finland doesn’t exist.
Best coronavirus one has to be the WI. Look at all the lockdown baking!

One I’m semi-convinced by is that ancient Egyptians were aliens. Hence the pyramid building/links to astronomy etc.

I wonder if @FlameIngSofa is actually Wiley.