Conspiracy Theories.

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AIBU to ask fellow Mumsnetters your favourite conspiracy theories?

Where it be about lizard people, 911 or the Government man-making Coronvirus to kill off the vulnerable, what conspiracy theory sends a chill up your spine?

Sorry if a little dark but I have to admit I love a good conspiracy theory and figured I wouldn't be the only one! Plus I need some bedtime reading...

If listening to science over someone who makes money from claiming the queen is a reptile from space makes me sheep, call me a fucking sheep.

I know I'm just an anonymous forum user, but I personally know someone who lost a child at Sandy Hook, a child I met. There is no logical, meticulously-researched, non-offensive, matter-of-fact and extremely convincing videos and documents, Longine, because they're lies and were rightfully removed. Vile post - claiming to feel sympathy for the parents but clearly believing they're all lying out their backsides and their 5 and 6 year olds weren't really brutally shot by a mentally ill member of their community...

More in the spirit of the thread, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

Icke has never said the queen is a reptile from space. Suggest you do a bit of research instead of just jumping on the anti-conspiracy theory bandwagon. What is more to the point, anyway, is the way that Icke's interview with London Real is being portrayed in the mainstream media. It was banned from YouTube and now apparently Ofcom is investigating it. Is the mainstream press concerned about freedom of expression being seriously challenged? Of course not, none of them have watched the video, instead, like you, they describe Icke as a conspiracy theorist who believes the world is run by reptiles and the Queen is a lizard. The irony is that in his interview Icke quotes facts and evidence; while we're all in lockdown because the government chooses to base its policies on the projections of Imperial College (heavily backed by the healthcare industry which will make a fortune from masks, ventilators and a vaccine), even when Imperial itself has admitted that its original death estimates were out by a factor of one hundred times. In short, THAT's a conspiracy taking place right under our noses.

Epstein's death is a good example of how any logical thinking is dismissed as conspiracy theory. But some logic goes like this: how did he commit suicide in a cell designed to prevent that very thing under 24 hour surveillance, when the state apparently very much wanted him alive to stand trial? Then, apply logic from Epstein's point of view. He has vast numbers of videos of very famous people attending his venues doing disgusting things, often with minors. First point of logic suggests that they would want him dead before testifying. Second point of logic suggests that Epstein would be well aware of that and would therefore let everyone know that if he should die, he's arranged for compromising videos, pictures, etc, to be widely circulated. Therefore, rescue and anonymity (with a very comfortable lifestyle thrown in) would be the more logical course of action.

Not my favourite but one that sadly appears to have been true. It's was whispered about for years in Belfast, that high ups in the British goverment and the royal family, were brought to Kincora boys home by MI5, to sexually abuse children.

A follow up theory I totally believe is that a certain senior member of the royal family, was blown up by the IRA for being a paedophile, and so he couldn't abuse any more children in Ireland.

"and German measles was still a threat to unborn babies".

My mother (in her 50's), had German measles when she was a child, and it damaged her eyesight so badly she still wears glasses. I agree pandemics and epidemics are natural phenomena.

On the other hand, Bats can live for 40 years, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese goverment was working on a virus in the lab in Wuhan, to use as a weapon, decided against the idea, but one bat that had been tested on escaped, only to be caught and eaten years later by patient zero, who then spread the virus.

Yes, I saw some documentation on the boys' home. You're thinking of Lord Mountbatten. The CIA released some papers recently (probably to put pressure on Andrew) showing they knew he was a paedophile. If nothing else, questions should be asked of the royals: Mountbatten introduced Jimmy Savile to them; they also had close ties with Anthony Blunt (on record as going to Germany on the command of the Royals just after the war with orders to destroy all their correspondence with Nazis). And of course we now have Andrew's association with Epstein. It beggars belief that this is all coincidental. Logic alone says the Royals must have known about Savile at least, because we now know the secret services knew all about him. Yet they were close friends with him for decades. In fact, it's a reasonable speculation that they very fact Savile wasn't exposed by the police while he was alive was because his connections with the Royals would have been exposed. If so, the Royals were responsible for him continuing to abuse for many years.

I can't really see the logic of the IRA blowing up Mountbatten to save innocent children but killing two other innocent children in the process.

I put the deaths of the children down to either IRA ineptitude, or a "for the greater good/collateral damage" mentality (they have form for both). I wasn't sure if we'd be allowed to outright name Mountbatten here.

Well if the IRA didn't care about killing kids then what would they have against child abuse? That doesn't hold up.

The IRA had nothing against ordinary catholic civilians, but some were badly maimed (and possibly killed?) on bloody Friday, and in other bombings. That's IRA logic for you? Mountbatten being blown up for being a paedophile is still just a conspiracy theory, and could obviously be bullshit/had nothing to do with it.

What happened in Kincora was considered a conspiracy theory. Someone set it on fire last year, but it was put out. Nearly every comment I read on social media about it after was along the lines of "let it burn/tear it down", so I think it's now widely accepted here that what was said to have happened, did.

D'oh I forgot to add and tons of comments agreeing that high ups in the govt had been to the place, wondering what happened to the inquiry etc.

Just thought of another conspiracy theory, my dad had (or maybe still has?) a book that claimed Mountbatten didn't actually die, but took the opportunity to take on a new identity, and went to live out his days in peace, in some remote place (I can't remember where).

Apologies if this has already been posted, but I am thoroughly convinced Stevie Wonder isn't blind.
Plenty of clips on youtube of him catching things etc. He apparently drives too.
Not sure what the motivation would be though
His USP I suppose?

Somebody on my fb is conspiracy theory obsessed and posted about some very well known high profile hollywood stars and politicians that take adrenochrome and the ways in which its procured are awful as it comes from children...

www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/lord-mountbatten-pedophile-allegations

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1846275857/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?psc=1&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&ie=UTF8

Highly recommended. The author is not a conspiracy theorist; just a brilliant researcher. Learn just how murky British history is, including the Royals.

And for another excellent, well researched book on the truth behind the royals, try this: www.amazon.co.uk/What-Do-You-Royal-Family-ebook/dp/B07RN38QC5/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&s=books&keywords=and+what+do+you+do&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1586618721&sr=1-1

Thank you for those two book recommendations @FlameIngSofa they look very interesting.

FlameIngSofa what the actual fuck is wrong with you that you think Holocaust-denial “isn’t Antisemetic??”

And the Elders of Zion was literally written specifically as Antisemitic propaganda.

Neither of those two things have anything to do with the modern state of Israel in any way, but “it’s not antisemitic it’s anti-Zionist” is the favourite bleat of white supremacists.

Recently (pre-lockdown) a university’s Jewish society meeting was disrupted by racist protestors, including one with a sign saying “don’t confuse Antisemitism and AntiZionism.” The deepest of ironies, and a perfect example of the gaslighting doublethink these white supremacists engage in, since the event she was protesting had zero to do with Israel or Zionism in any way and the only person conflating the DWP was here.

it's odd that all the logical, meticulously-researched, non-offensive, matter-of-fact and extremely convincing videos and documents have been deleted from the internet without a single trace.

The Sandy Hook videos that were deleted were the exact opposite of “logical”, “well-researched” or “non-offensive.”

Horrendous and evil thing to say.

RapunzelinQuarantine

There is plenty the fuck wrong with me, I've no doubt. But I'd appreciate a little more exactness behind your aggression. I've not mentioned Holocaust-denial and I'm not such a denier. If you're saying David Icke is, please provide the evidence and I'll apologise. I've not read all his stuff but haven't seen such claims from him.

I gave an example of how an event I'd paid a ticket for was banned purely because someone told the event organiser that Icke is anti-Semitic but without providing any evidence. Icke has had several events cancelled and now has to arrange things at the last minute in order to prevent it happening all the time. This would be bad enough in a country that is supposed to champion free speech if he was anti-Semitic but as said I've not seen any evidence to that end.

I haven't studied Sandy Hook and I know some conspiracy theorists say it was a "false flag" event. If you read "The History Thieves" you'll come across several actual, documented false flag events - when a government conspires against its own people. The author doesn't call them that possibly because he's not a conspiracy theorist.

Icke has never said the queen is a reptile from space.

"Queen Elizabeth (El-lizard-birth),through her Hanoverian ancestors, and others, carries the bloodline of the BlackNobility in Germany and all these strands, be they Irish, Scottish, German, Danish,Swedish, whatever, go back via the Black Nobility Venetians through to thePhoenicians, the Egyptians, to Sumer, and the reptilians."

• David Icke, The Biggest Secret

Seems to me like he's saying the queen's a reptile.

This bit is also interesting:

One of these channels is an organisation based in the United States, and operatingworldwide, which was set up precisely to condemn as racists those exposing theBrotherhood. It is called the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and I have been a targetfor them myself, something I find very comforting and confirmation that I am going inthe correct direction. It has great support from non-Jewish sycophants who wish to keepthe ADL sweet and to feed their own desire to posture their sense of self-purity. I’ll takethe sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, ‘anti-racist’ movements seriously, when they beginto protest against all racism and not just that which suits their political correctness. Thesmell of hypocrisy makes my nostrils ache. This Levite racism is not followed by theoverwhelming majority of Jewish people and many have rebelled against the strict racelaws that demand that Jews only interbreed with Jews. Most people who callthemselves Jewish are brought up from birth to be the frightened, indoctrinated puppetsof this vicious Levite hierarchy which has metamorphosed as the Pharisees, theTalmudists and the extreme Zionists of today, controlled by the fanatical rabbisdispensing the ‘law’ of the Levites of Babylon on behalf of the reptilians. Most peoplewho follow the religions spawned from these sources have no idea of their true origin oragenda. This is the privileged knowledge of a tiny Elite at the top of the secret society network who set up and manipulate the religions and their advocates. They are notconcerned for their followers, be they Jews, Roman Catholics, Muslims, whatever.Nothing emphasises what a sham all these religions and races really are than the presentday peoples we are told are ‘Jewish’. As Jewish writers and anthropologists have said,there is no such thing as the Jewish race. Jewishness is a faith, not a race. The wholeconcept of a ‘Jewish’ people was manufactured as a cover story.

You can tell yourself that there's no anti-semetism in these conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better. Many racists don't think of themselves as racist.

From space? What you're doing is frantically trying to find proof of an off-hand comment you made. As I understand it - and again, I'm not defending Icke because I think he's God or whatever - Icke here is referring to reptilian-like gods which are fairly common in ancient religions, e.g. the Sumerians. I think him taking "lizard" from "Liz" is a bit silly by the way. I haven't studied her bloodline but I would expect her to be proud that it can be traced back through all kinds of nobility strands.

I've heard Icke speak about the reptillian thing and while I still don't agree with it, it's actually not as way-out as critics claim. I think he's talking within the concept that all life is electrical at core, with matter just an outer expression of that. He says there the Earth was visited by aliens much more powerful than humans - again, I'm not saying I agree but there is a lot in ancient texts/religions that suggests this, even if they don't of course use the word "aliens"; more likely to say "angels" or "gods". The Book of Enoch, for example, is full of this kind of stuff, and Sumerian texts too.

I think Icke is saying that these reptillian blood lines still exist - again, I don't necessarily agree - and those that have it are able to affect their electrical emanations so that the viewer sees them as human, when in fact they're not.

Yes, Icke claims the Queen can do so. I have no idea but suspect it's not the case. Personally, I think he made too big a jump with this claim - possibly with good intentions but, well, we can all see the damage it's done to his reputation.

Having said all that, Tony Blair is a Catholic so presumably believes that Jesus died and came back to life again, and was born of a virgin; and that when he takes the holy blood and bread that is literally the body and blood of Jesus. I can see, however, that Blair is probably not a good example!

If you can show me actual evidence that Icke is agreeing with the anti-Semitism behind the Protocols of Zion, I will be happy to agree you're right and apologise for wasting your time.

Well he thinks the protocols are real, so that an evil cabal of Jews were planning world domination. He also seems to think they succeeded from what I've read.