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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

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titchy · 01/03/2020 20:49

Oh wow.... you sound, hard work. Entitled. Opinionated. Obtuse. You would have made a scene at their wedding because like many women she hasn't taken your name?! Just. Wow.

GrumpyHoonMain · 01/03/2020 20:50

I think you need to have it out with your son directly man to man. Not in an angry way but tell him how hurt you feel and maybe mention that if his fiancee doesn’t want to come round he could pop down by himself. It is unacceptable that he’s prioritising his wife’s family to this extent - he sounds really spineless to be honest.

GrumpyHoonMain · 01/03/2020 20:52

This isn’t your dil’s fault it’s his. You need to understand that. He’s the one ignoring you both unless he wants money. You are in your rights to say no and remove him from the will

4amWitchingHour · 01/03/2020 20:53

@titchy - the DIL didn't say she wasn't taking the name, she said the name was shit. That's just fucking rude under any circumstance.

PreppingPrat · 01/03/2020 20:55

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BabyWenger · 01/03/2020 20:59

Maybe you're not as easy to be around as her family.

You sound very full on.

MatildaTheCat · 01/03/2020 20:59

Stop competing. You won’t win. Your DIL prefers to spend time with her family and has 100% picked up on your resentment. Some of these issues are, no doubt annoying but you gain nothing from raising them.

If you threaten to disinherit them you risk total estrangement and will make yourself look insane.

Try to lighten up. Be available for a quick visit. Keep in touch with messages, WhatsApp photos etc and include your DIL by referring to topics or interests she has.

Don’t be afraid to have some time with your DS without DIL. Do you share any interests? No harm in asking him for a quick drink after work etc.

If you ever broach this you would have to do it very, very tactfully and to be honest, from your post I’m not sure you can.

And I have adult sons with partners. One of whom definitely prefers her family’s company. That’s fine, I still love her. The other partner probably prefers her time spent with us when they visit. The reason? Her mother is too possessive.

islandislandisland · 01/03/2020 21:00

Whilst I'm not in a particularly similar situation, myself and partner tend to spend more time with my family because I'm proactive in arranging to see them regularly. My partner takes a more laid back approach to seeing family and whilst I do encourage him he doesn't make the effort to arrange things with them very often. I don't feel it's my place to take over arranging to see his family on his behalf. We live in the same county as our families too so distance isn't an issue. I would talk to your son- perhaps he isn't prioritising you and just going along with what his wife wants.

chatterbugmegastar · 01/03/2020 21:00

Trouble is - your son has decided to 'side with' / be loyal to his fiancée/wife and she doesn't like you and your wife.

Unless your son is prepared to talk his wife around and ask her to change her opinion of you and your wife OR unless you are prepared to find out what your daughter in law doesn't like about you - and change .... no improvement will happen

Celeriacacaca · 01/03/2020 21:00

This sounds very upsetting for you and I imagine your wife is equally upset. Ask your son outright - why are you being treated like second class citizens e.g. why have her parents been invited for a meal and you haven. He should be embarrassed with his behaviour.

Not sure an inheritance-related threat is wise although it sounds as if he's got what he wants from you anyway.

CornishPorsche · 01/03/2020 21:03

You do sound terribly formal.

doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 21:03

@grumpyhoonmain I dont think my son is spineless, I think he's in love with his wife. Despite what some may think, Ive no problem with this.

One or two have missed the point though. We've done everything to welcome our daughter in law into our home and family. That's being rejected. I dont expect her to give up her family for us either.

I do think two families should come together and share. When our parents were alive, we'd alternate Christmas with one then next year with the other. There's none of this here, it's always my son's wife side front, centre and foremost. Everytime.

Thank you for your comments.

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titchy · 01/03/2020 21:04

she said the name was shit

She didn't say that to the OP. Whoever she said it to told him. It could have been a private conversation with her best mate for all we know.

titchy · 01/03/2020 21:07

I do think two families should come together and share. When our parents were alive, we'd alternate Christmas with one then next year with the other. There's none of this here, it's always my son's wife side front, centre and foremost. Everytime.

I agree that would be ideal, however you do not have the right to demand or expect that your son and DIL feel the same. No one has that right. And you do sound rather uptight and formal.

bugbhaer · 01/03/2020 21:07

I think the advice above about taking a light touch is spot on.

Also, nurturing your relationship with your son. What did the two of you have in common for the first 25 years of his life? Can you pick that up in some way?

PurpleDaisies · 01/03/2020 21:10

You sound a bit intense. Some people don’t want a really close relationship with their in laws.

I think you might have unrealistic expectations about the level of involvement she wants with you.

damnthatanxiety · 01/03/2020 21:12

titchy regardless of who she said it to, it is an unbelievably rude and quite telling thing to say. I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse. You seem very angry

doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 21:13

@celeriacacaca Thank you for your comments.

@cornishporsche Yeah, thanks whatever. Ive actually been told Im too horizontal. I really dont know how folks like you get off on inane comments. It's difficult explaining complex situations any more informally than I have.

As regards other comments, I dont have problems if my son and his wife want to spend more time with her family. That's not what Im talking about. It is the 'special' occasions such as birthdays, Christmas, anniversaries, Mothers day where our family ie my wife, me and our son's brother are distinctly second choice.

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chatterbugmegastar · 01/03/2020 21:13

We've done everything to welcome our daughter in law into our home and family. That's being rejected.

Because the way you've welcomed her , isn't the way she wants to be welcomed

So you either do it the way she wants - or not Confused

HelgaHere1 · 01/03/2020 21:16

I'm not sure you can fix this.
She likes the company of her family - does she have siblings so that it's a chance for her to see them and all catch up?
Things might change if they have children and you are needed to childmind, unless her DM has time on her hands and does it all.
I presume he is an only child . Tell him that even if his DW does not want to come you'd both like to catch up with him every couple of weeks.

CassidyStone · 01/03/2020 21:16

You're going to disinherit your son because he spends more time with his wife and her family than with you? He's a grown man and times have changed.

Just because you and your wife alternated Christmas celebrations with her parents and your parents, doesn't mean the same thing happens now. Lots of adult children choose to celebrate Christmas in their own way, and don't feel they have to return to the parental home.

Life is short, don't make this a big issue, and don't assume you'll have limited contact with any grandchildren. Just be there for your son, and don't react negatively by threatening to disinherit him.

chatterbugmegastar · 01/03/2020 21:17

it's always my son's wife side front, centre and foremost. Every time

Because your DIL doesn't like the way you welcome her into your home and your DIL rules your son

So you change or you don't see them

It doesn't seem very fair .... but there we are - your son won't show loyalty towards YOU and YOU don't see any reason to change your welcome to your DIL

1Morewineplease · 01/03/2020 21:17

@titchy that was uncalled for. You clearly didn’t read between the lines.
OP I’m so sorry that you’re feeling so unhappy about this situation and it does seem that you and your wife seem almost like an afterthought now. For your daughter in law to say that your name is “s..t” is appalling.
It does sound as though there might be a backstory here and, no doubt, other posters will jump onto the “ yeah, well what’s your son’s and daughter in law’s version of events?”
I’m prepared to be absolutely flamed for saying this, but there is a trend on AIBU to criticise parents in law.
On the face of what you have said, I would suggest a heart to heart with your son.
Clearly there are some relationship issues and you need to try to find a way to resolve them.
It might be an idea to post your situation on the ‘relationship’ or ‘parenting’ threads .
I’m so sorry that I can’t offer you advice on here and I wish you and your wife all good wishes.

Freddiefox · 01/03/2020 21:18

I think you should concentrate on your son, invite him round after work it doesn’t have to be the both of them.

doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 21:18

@PurpleDaisies Yes, Im so intense Im the first one to be asked to take her to the train station or other places. I took this as a sign of the extended family. I mean you dont normally ask for someone you dont like to take you to somewhere. Well, at least I dont.

@titchy She said that to my wife. My wife didnt tell me until fairly recently.

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