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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 01/03/2020 21:34

Whose anniversaries are you looking to celebrate with other people? They’re private events in my book.

Tink88 · 01/03/2020 21:34

You sound very full on and from your post you do sound formal so I imagine thats what your DIL means.

Catchuptv · 01/03/2020 21:35

It's sad but there is an old saying - 'A son is a son till he finds a wife - but a daughter is a daughter for the rest of your life' (or some such thing).

I feel for you but you don't want to lose contact with your son so unfortunately it is you that will have to find a different way to cope with it - sorry if that sounds harsh but unfortunately it does seem to be the way it is.

puds11 · 01/03/2020 21:36

If you call her the favourite DIL and she is the only one then that is condescending and slightly passive aggressive. She’s by default the favourite. I can see why she wouldn’t like that, it’s a dick thing to say.

VBT2 · 01/03/2020 21:36

I think you should talk to your son about how you feel, in particular that you’re often an after thought and second rate family. Don’t make any threats, just tell him honestly how you feel.

It’s a real shame if they (especially he) won’t make the effort for things like Mother’s Day, but you can’t force them to. Try and rebuild the relationship in a good spirit if you can.

I would recommend setting up your own boundaries though: “we’re celebrating your mother’s birthday here on this date. Hope you can both make it.” Don’t let them dictate the terms of your parties to you. If it’s important to you that they come to events, don’t let them “call in” - invite them to specific things.

PurpleDaisies · 01/03/2020 21:36

I would love to hear her version of this situation.

HollowTalk · 01/03/2020 21:36

I've no idea why people are being horrible to you.

It sounds awful - my son's getting married later this year and I'd be devastated if I was treated like that. Having said that, I'd hope my son wouldn't let it happen - is your son the sort who'll do anything for a quiet life?

I don't think your DIL has something against you, I think she just wants to spend all her time with her family and to do that she has to rebuff you and your wife. It's very unfair.

What does your other child say?

AnneLovesGilbert · 01/03/2020 21:38

A son is a son till he finds a wife - but a daughter is a daughter for the rest of your life

Yawn. It’s a trite lazy phrase used by people who don’t have good relationships with their adult sons and use their wives as an excuse or justification.

thebabessavedme · 01/03/2020 21:38

OP I can tell you now, from experience, if you start with the stand point of 'I will disinherit you' you will lose.

we have been 'held to ransom' by 2 grandparents, it made me sick!

I would have have loved and taken care of them, but I will not 'toe the line' for money, be careful, you sound unpleasant, overbearing and bullying and your dil may well tell you where to stick your money

puds11 · 01/03/2020 21:39

What @AnneLovesGilbert said.

Supersimkin2 · 01/03/2020 21:39

Threatening to disinherit your DS because he's also seeing MIL on Mother's Day is not really the definition of laid-back.

Chouxalacreme · 01/03/2020 21:40

Look. It’s just different family dynamics .
Spend your hard earned cash on yourselves , plans some amazing holidays and go out and have some fun together with your wife . Make new friends . Be busy . Enjoy .
They are just doing things their way don’t over think it too much . Just say yes that would be lovely we would love to see you if you’re passing . Keep it simple don’t pressure them . It will work itself out if you back off and lower expectations .

RainbowFlowers · 01/03/2020 21:40

You sound controlling. No one has full control of how much they get from their relationships as it involves another person. I think you need to let go of all your expectations. Focus on unconditionally loving your son and Dil and forget about what you feel you're getting back (by getting back I mean it broadly so stuff like them choosing to spend occasions with you).

There no point making threats as why would you want them to change their behaviour with you based on that. Dont you want a genuine, true relationship with them rather than a forced one?

NotStayingIn · 01/03/2020 21:41

Sorry but I really wouldn’t do this so just invite your ds after work maybe once a week for tea.

It’s way too much and might eve antagonise DIL which is the last thing you need right now. Talk to him and invite him round by all means, but I wouldn’t put a suggestion of once a week or any specific amount to him. That could sound formal and slightly demanding. But that’s just my interpretation of course.

(Although if you knew she had a hobby or something that could work. ‘Say I know DIL does yoga once a week, fancy coming round to dinner on one of those nights’. You’re going to have to look at their life and play it by ear a bit.)

Teapot13 · 01/03/2020 21:41

I don't think discussing it openly with your son would help. His loyalty is to his wife. Ultimately you want your child to grow up and have his own family and that's what's happening.

Unfortunately it sounds like DIL doesn't like spending time with you. No one on this thread can tell whose fault it is. Most likely no one's. But you really can't make fairness arguments and keep score. It's about how the they wish to spend their time.

Treat them like adults. Be glad your son has this whole new family that loves him. Try to organize things everyone can enjoy, without it being a competition about who owes whom a visit.

doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 21:42

@Ponoka7 Our relationship with our son? A loving one where he was spoilt rotten. When he started dating her, we didnt get to meet her for a long time. But again, I say we werent formal, off hand or force any thing.

@NotStayingIn Thanks for your comment. We want to see both of them as we view her as part of our family not some outsider. But it's hard when she's sat in the car outside!

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Beautiful3 · 01/03/2020 21:43

I think you ought to take a step back. Give them space. If they call to visit, no more cooking. Just fish and chips from the chippie will do. This gives you all time to chat. If they want to shoot off then let them. The more you tell them to spend more time with you, the less they'll want to. Perhaps you could suggest that, just your son pops in to see you both and leaves his wife at home?

Patroclus · 01/03/2020 21:44

I think its always like this to an extent- the an goes more along with the women's family.

Dont start talking about inheritance for fuck sake. Thats just gauche

WantToBeMum · 01/03/2020 21:44

I'm sorry you are in this situation, it must be very upsetting. We have this same situation in my family - my parents do everything to make my SIL welcome in the family, in return she simply doesn't like them and consequently spends all the time with her parents and none with mine, it hurts them.
It seems as though you've made the effort but you can't force her to enjoy your company. To me, it sounds as though she needs to make more effort and your son needs to realise the situation.
I would not, absolutely not, mention inheritance. You want to spend time with them because you love them, right? You're not buying them. Leave the inheritance issue out.
Try to calmly explain your thoughts and feelings to them both, or just to your son if that feels easier. Explain that you enjoy their company and would like to spend more time with them. Next time an occasion like Mother's Day comes along, you could say something like "if you already have plans with DIL parents this day, what about coming to us the next weekend instead so we can have quality time rather than you needing to rush off".

thebabessavedme · 01/03/2020 21:45

then dont be so wet, go outside and ask her to come in, ask her what her problem is! ffs, why would you let this situation carry on?

Honeyroar · 01/03/2020 21:45

I can totally understand why you’re upset. Have you ever told your son that you and his mother are feeling hurt and second best? Unfortunately it seems to happen quite a lot.

Patroclus · 01/03/2020 21:45

You are right shes being rude as fuck though. Just be the bigger person. He'l be embarassed when he leaves her. Been there myself.

Freddiefox · 01/03/2020 21:46

Freddiefox Thanks for the comment. Yes, I know I'll have to talk to him and cannot say Im looking forward to that conversation for obvious reasons

I think you miss understand me, or maybe I wasn’t very clear, what I mean’t was, just invite your son round after work, don’t make a big deal out of it, just have him round, see how it goes, concentrate on him, and your relationship with him.
Your dil isn’t overly interested in you or your family, for whatever reason, so concentrate and cultivate the relationship you have with him.

I wasn’t overly interested in my ex mil, nothing against her, but the weekend is only 48hours I’m working full time, and in between my own family, housework and work there wasn’t a great deal of time left.
She was and even now as an ex mil she is welcome in my home, but she won’t be hosted, she will take us as we are, But she alway wanted to be visited and this caused a problem, as like her I had things at home that needed doing.
Ex used stress about the house being messy when she did come round, so having her round became a chore as the work load was greater for me, what happened was she got invited round less and less.

MangoHat · 01/03/2020 21:47

The waiting outside in the car is so rude. I’d tel your son to come on his own rather than visit like that.

doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 21:47

@RainbowFlowers Oh please. You and the others who think Im a control freak just havent read what Ive written. How am I controlling when Im more than happy for my son to live his own life? All I have pointed out is that at 'special occasions' there's no debate about who goes where and when.

Put it this way, if my son and his wife prioritised spending all the special occasions with my wife and I at his mother in laws expense, Id be suggestting to my son that he either alternates the special occasions between us or, invites his MIL and partner to come and have a joint occasion. So please, stoll the trolling 'controlling' comments.

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