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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

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Hoik · 01/03/2020 21:59

You know the old saying 'A sons a son until he gets a wife, a daughter's a daughter the whole of your life'

That's crap though. A son is also a son for life and if a son wants to limit contact with his family after marriage then it's a question of 'why?' rather than 'that's just what sons do...'

I have four brothers and, shockingly, they all manage to maintain a relationship with our side of the family as well as the families of their respective wives.

The other reason I hate that saying is that it peddles the bullshit belief that a daughter must always be subservient. That the son/man can dick off and have his own life but the daughter/woman has to stay loyal to the family and do all the shit work like caring for elderly relatives and hosting Christmas dinner for 70,000 extended family members.

Oakmaiden · 01/03/2020 21:59

There must be a reason why she feels so uncomfortable in your house that she would rather sit outside in the car.

I really think you need to talk to your son. I wouldn't make ultimatums unless you are happy for him to say "I don't want a f*ing inheritance" and never speak to you again. Because I can't help feeling that such a threat will certainly force a fracture where they may only be a small one now.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/03/2020 22:00

I'm another who usually wants to hear the other person's "version", but I'm surprised more haven't picked up on "she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sht whether her now husband is with her or not"* which are apparently her own words

Apart from being very hurtful to her DH, to me that's just rude - as is sitting outside in the car and the dreadful remark she made to her MIL about the family name (at the wedding, no less)

There are some excellent suggestions on how to raise this with the DS gently, but I'm not too sure it's OP who's doing most of the controlling here

BlackSwan · 01/03/2020 22:01

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namechangetheworld · 01/03/2020 22:01

God, some people are being right arseholes on this thread. Lots of posters on MN seem to have the belief that once your child hits 18 you should no longer be any part of their life whatsoever and even expecting a phone call at Christmas is being demanding.

I don't like my in-laws at all. I find them revolting, quite frankly - their house is a state, their hygiene is poor, and we have absolutely nothing in common. However, for the sake of my husband and our daughters I make the effort to have them round to our house once a month to have a catch up.

Your DIL sounds rude beyond belief. I would calmly mention how hurt you are your son. Really hope you get this resolved, it must be so upsetting.

ShesGotBetteDavisEyes · 01/03/2020 22:01

“A son is a son until he finds a wife... a daughter is a daughter for all of her life”

I think this is a very true saying! My eldest ds has a serious gf and is already quite heavily involved with her family - she’s only been to our house twice! It’s a little hurtful but I just think it’s the way it is sometimes - her family go out drinking a lot and we don’t - he probably thinks they’re more fun than us!

You can’t force a relationship I’m afraid and it sounds like she’s already decided she doesn’t like you that much. Your son could try to bring her round however, who knows whether he doesn’t enjoy spending time with you either (I’m not trying to be unkind just honest). I agree you should relax and stop trying so hard. You can’t make someone like you and want to spend time with you unfortunately. In an ideal world you would all be one big happy extended family, but that isn’t always realistic.

Hoik · 01/03/2020 22:02

Do you ever visit them? Or is it just them visiting you? I'm just wondering what would happen if you called up on say a Sunday afternoon and said you were going to be passing so would drop in.

InTheSummerhouse · 01/03/2020 22:02

My view - enjoy your life with your wife see your other son, spend your money and say nothing about the inheritance. That is important.

If they want to only do short visits - then fine - you don't always have to be in. Be less available. Personally I wouldn't put up with this shit from anyone.

Your son either will or won't make time for you - and if he won't then that is sad but you can't make him do it.

Sometimes this happens in families - it is fairly common. It is no-one's fault. Just try not to get upset about it. And don't sit and wait for a ten minute visit as if you are grateful for the crumbs from his table. If you are busy, or away - so much the better. And stop giving them lifts and money, and help with stuff.

Your son may realise that he cares very much about you - even if his life is such that he can't spend the time he wants with you. Who knows. And if not- well there is not much you can do I'm afraid. But don't fight him or his wife over it because you willnot win.

And leave the money to your other son and to people who can be bothered with you and whose company you enjoy and who respect you and not those who don't.

tara66 · 01/03/2020 22:03

There are no certainties in life - except ''death and taxes'' .

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 01/03/2020 22:03

DressingGown so what? This site is riddled with people who just jump onto a thread to berate the poster when they don't agree with what they've said. That's trollish behaviour.

Your 'That's twice you have called people trolls' post is a bit threatening, or it would be if it had any teeth. Not very helpful though.

katy1213 · 01/03/2020 22:04

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beethebee · 01/03/2020 22:05

OP it’s obvious from your posts that you’re feeling pretty stung by all this. And your DIL sounds like a pretty mannerless individual. Sitting in the car at your house, the wedding photo thing and being so offensive to your wife is all very gauche behaviour.

However, you do sound slightly over-sensitive, maybe because it’s been a slow buildup of events that have got you reacting to every tiny perceived slight now.

You probably honestly need to be a bit less available. Try to stop noticing so much what your DS and DIL are doing and who they’re doing it with. They don’t have to ration their time on a strict 50:50 basis between parents. Don’t beg for their attention by ringing and suggesting contact too regularly and definitely don’t have a blowup about this. Lower your expectations, they’re only upsetting you.

Conversely, absolutely don’t feel obliged to help them with money or lifts or anything else. If you can see your son on his own without your DIL without it being perceived by her as a snub, then great. Do it. Otherwise spend your money, have fun and enjoy the time after your DC have left home and before the grandchildren come along.

ArabSprings · 01/03/2020 22:07

I really feel for you OP. I think there are far too many young people out there who disrespect either their parents or (more commonly) their in laws. People like your daughter in law may well have a problem with visiting you, but as you’re always going to be her husband’s family, she should definitely make more effort. It doesn’t sound like she makes much at all. The people bashing you probably just do not get along with their own in laws, and probably have formed judgments of you based on that, so do take all the trolling with a pinch of salt.

I think going forward, focus on your relationship with your son. He loves her and probably just does what she wants on the special occasions, to keep the peace, or to make her happy. That’s not a bad thing at all, but perhaps if he knew how you felt (and I stress this must be done very gently and not at all in an accusatory way) then he might decide to make more effort himself. Let her go to her mother’s house. If she sees that like her, he one day prefers to come to you, then she might follow suit. But I wouldn’t count on it.

I think I would feel hurt and disappointed too. Enough to have a gentle chat with my son about it. Good luck and I do hope things improve and that you and your wife don’t feel like the second choice for much longer. Flowers

Wehttam · 01/03/2020 22:07

DIL sounds like a nightmare cow and your son sounds like he’s not much better. Better off without them in your lives. Just be civil and move on from it.

slashlover · 01/03/2020 22:07

OP-AIBU?
One or two MNers - Maybe YABU
OP - Trolls!!!!!

Emptywallet · 01/03/2020 22:07

She sounds rude and immature.

Doya you have to tread very carefully here. Him and his wife share a bed. He will put her first. He loves her.

Don’t say anything about disinheriting.

Ask your son to see him by yourself, not even his mum. Go to the pub for a pint or something.

Ask him if he is ok, tell him you miss him and your wondering if anything has happened that has made him not come up so often.

Tell him you were planning on suggesting something for Mother’s Day as a surprise for your wife but now they have plans could they do something the day before instead.

Play it safe. Because he will go back and repeat what you have said to his wife and she will try and find fault in it. Don’t even bring her name up unless it’s something positive.

You really do have to box clever with this.

Always be an ear for him. A confidant. Text him through the week - ‘you ok son?’ Keep communication rolling, keep it light and maybe a few jokes.

I know it sounds odd but he will be getting it in the neck of his wife about coming over etc.. if you keep neutral he will start feeling protective towards you if she says negative things.

Arrange things with him. If he cancels at a later date (and you think it’s down to her) be bright and breezy ‘can you make the following week son?’ She can’t cancel everything with out him getting a feeling of unfairness.

Always be happy and polite to see her. Never give her any ammunition.

She doesn’t like you and your wife or at best couldn’t care for either of you.

Also don’t always be available for madam when she wants a lift.

bugbhaer · 01/03/2020 22:08

To the trolls, give it a rest and find something useful to do with your life for a change.

Who is trolling you? You don’t seem to know what it means Confused

RedRed9 · 01/03/2020 22:08

I would 100% focus on strengthening the relationship with your son.

This says far more about him than it does about his wife.
Eg
If they’re spending Mother’s Day with her mum that will be because she’s made the time and effort to prioritise doing something nice with her own mum. Your DS hasn’t done the same for his.

Coolcucumber2020 · 01/03/2020 22:08

It does sound as if her family is being prioritised.

I think I’d muscle in a bit more if I were you. What do you want?

Specifically?

Is it Sunday dinner once a month?
Chats on the phone?

Then just go ahead and do it. Work your relationship up by spending a bit more time together, and enjoying your time. If it’s not enjoyable on both sides it won’t build and grow.

Coolcucumber2020 · 01/03/2020 22:10

@Emptywallet
Oh and everything empty wallet says. Absolutely brilliant advice.
You really do have to box clever with this.

ArabSprings · 01/03/2020 22:11

Completely agree with @Emptywallet

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 01/03/2020 22:11

I agree with @InTheSummerhouse's advice. Enjoy your life and see your other son. I'd add invite the son who's hurt your feelings over sometimes to do things you all enjoy - his wife doesn't need to be there for every visit. I frequently visit my side of the family without DH, as does he. There's nothing odd about it.

Re. The lifts to the station and other favours. You're not obliged to do such things if you feel that someone isn't being nice to you. You can say no, just as she says no to visiting you!

Sarahlou63 · 01/03/2020 22:12

Can I suggest another angle? You and your wife are so focussed on your son and DIL that it threatens to overwhelm all of you, which is never going to end well.

Why don't you and your wife plan weekends away, days out, new hobbies and lazy afternoons in bed so that you become much less invested in your son's life? Maybe (and don't take this as a given!) one day they will ask you for the genuine pleasure of your company, rather than a duty call. In the meantime you have your own lives - enjoy them.

Wearywithteens · 01/03/2020 22:14

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Echobelly · 01/03/2020 22:14

I think you just have to pick your battles and it's better to play things on her terms than risk total alienation.

I don't think the OPs sound like they are especially awful or hard work, but as others have said, maybe DIL just can't really get along with you. I found myself a lot happier when I realised that, whatever you are like, there is someone who won't like you. It doesn't have to be vehement hatred but there's evidently something about you that DIL doesn't warm to and obviously that's hard because this involves your son.

Maybe arrange to see son without his wife so you can have more time together at least a few times a year? Explaining that you don't want to exclude DW but you've accepted that it seems she will never be comfortable with you for some reason?